Can someone please explain khakis?

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  1. hermes

    hermes Senior member

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    if anything, we've all learned how to torture LA Guy ......
     


  2. bch

    bch Senior member

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    (bch @ Feb. 10 2005,08:43) Why is there an insistence that you be dressed up all the time? Do you wear your wool trousers when working in the yard, or when sitting around the house? This seems a little dandyish to me, and not in a good way.
    they suck, plain and simple : ugly, unfashionable. If I need to work around my appartment, I wear jeans. If I need to go out to the park to feed the ducks, I wear jeans. Otherwise, I lounge about in my silk pajamas when not expecting anyone. If I am expecting someone, I have a handful of cotton trousers from Costume National or Helmut Lang which will give me the needed relaxed look. .luc
    Why do you contend that jeans are superior to khakis? They're made out of the same material (cotton). Why do khakis suck, and yet jeans don't suck? Maybe it's a Euro thing vs. an American thing.
     


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    Interestingly, I have almost the same feeling as far as jeans are concerned. I would wear khakis around the house and for generally slumming, but I would never ever wear jeans. I have one pair of jeans, which seldom sees any use.

    My personal dislike for jeans is because of their weight, and
    the way denim absorbs moisture. I have often gone into paroxysms over people turning up for backcountry trips in jeans...
     


  4. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    No, if anything, I'd really be more susceptible to the "Torture Chicks" technique. Remember, the idea is to get the guy talking, not necessarily to break his spirit [​IMG]
     


  5. Markus

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    This post is not intended to offend, merely inform.

    Where I work (one of the world's largest companies, multi-billion dollar, Fortune 10) people here at the grassroots do not dress fancy. Engineers, mathmaticians, managers, coordinators, procurement agents. Mostly very brainy people. A fair number of advanced technical degrees.

    Here is what you'll see. No ties. Very, very few sportjackets, very few suits (only under rare circumstances), few wool slacks, few laundered cotton shirts, no never any designer jeans (well, perhaps a few worn by female twenty-something young recruits), no three piece suits ever, no bespoke, very few shoes with goodyear welts. Few creases even. Oh, yesterday I saw a fellow with nice creases in his acid washed jeans. People dress for comfort and don't know any better than to buy whatever there is on sale at the mall. I kind of think this is the way that most people dress these days. Certainly it tends to be the rule when I go out to my suppliers (who are all probably Fortune 25, at least). Where I work nobody is dressing up these days. This morning in a meeting I felt that my appearance was almost remarkable. Wool gabardine slacks, laundered BB shirt, shetland sweater vest, BB shell cord loafers, coordinating socks. Certainly I was the only one wearing wool, and probably the only one wearing leather soles.

    This is the land of jeans and khakis are probably considered as "dress up wear". Why? The overall trend towards the casual and informal, plus the difficulty of receiving good counsel on what to buy.

    Note: Anyone around here who wore a three piece suit would be looked at like he had lost his mind. British style? Brioni? Again, you'd be thought of as someone who had gotten lost and ended up in the wrong place. Or perhaps you are headed out for a funeral or job interview. People would be puzzled.

    Given the widespread presence of the khaki, one might think that all is lost but such is not the case. Careful selection and fit and nicely coordinating shirts, etc can allow one to pull together quite an acceptable look.

    BTW, it might help to know that I'm just over 50. When I was growing up it was considered great luck to find US surplus khakis at the second hand store. They were very comfortable, fit great and lasted forever. Sadly, they are seldom now available, at least at the giveaway prices we saw in the sixties and seventies. Hence the interest in well made khakis like Bills.

    Markus
     


  6. gorgekko

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    Do you hate khakis more than communism or fascism? Guys who hit women? Children crying? Pretty strong emotion for a pair of casual pants, don't you think?

    I like khakis because they are a nice casual pant when you're running errands on the weekend. And as others have said, they're relatively comfortable in warmer weather, easy to maintain and less of a pain to clean. I have been accused of many things but never an accountant who drives a Dodge Caravan.
     


  7. Luc-Emmanuel

    Luc-Emmanuel Senior member

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    (Luc-Emmanuel @ Feb. 10 2005,10:08)
    Why is there an insistence that you be dressed up all the time? Â Do you wear your wool trousers when working in the yard, or when sitting around the house? Â This seems a little dandyish to me, and not in a good way.
    they suck, plain and simple : ugly, unfashionable. If I need to work around my appartment, I wear jeans. If I need to go out to the park to feed the ducks, I wear jeans. Otherwise, I lounge about in my silk pajamas when not expecting anyone. If I am expecting someone, I have a handful of cotton trousers from Costume National or Helmut Lang which will give me the needed relaxed look. .luc
    Why do you contend that jeans are superior to khakis? Â They're made out of the same material (cotton). Â Why do khakis suck, and yet jeans don't suck? Maybe it's a Euro thing vs. an American thing.
    Why do kakhi suck : cut, finishing, colour (I don't like tan, beige). You can find jeans which fit a lot better : low rise, long slim legs, and bootcut. I guess I'm also biased vs double pleated, cuffed corduroys in olive green. Now, that must be a french thing. .luc
     


  8. AJL

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    I own one pair of khakis, which have rarely seen the light of day in three or so years, in part because they are a little fuller cut then I'd like them to be, but also because I find khakis rather conservative and uninspiring. I would not go so far as to say I hate them: certainly a well-fitting pair will set oneself apart from the rank and file dumpy khaki-wearing crowd. I can understand why people like them for their casual, easy-care, sort-of-goes-with-everything-ness, as well as their utilitarian toughness. Nonetheless, I find them boring in a ubiquitous casual Friday work uniform sort of way.

    I will always opt for jeans, or colored cotton or cords. More variety, more individuality. It is hard to put a cool, casual look together with khakis as a base. For those who can pull this off, more power to you; chances are you can make almost anything look good.

    At this point I should state that I am 45 years old, so no placing me in the young upstart category. No less important is the fact that I do not wear tailored clothing at my workplace. If I did it might change my perspective for how I dressed the rest of the time when not at work, but the fact is, my casual mode of dress is for the most part how I express my sartorial side. This is in direct opposition to Manton for example, who puts all his focus on his tailored attire, and lets the rest slide. I suspect there are others here who are in the same camp as I, perhaps tending towards the younger side. I wonder how the demographics would break out here in terms of age and workplace dress requirements, as regards one's pro or anti-khaki stance? Democrat/ Republican; gay/ straight; city/country; Shark/Jet?  Ahh, nevermind, dumb idea.

    Here's a look that rubs me the wrong way: khakis paired with brown penny loafers, sockless, topped off with snug-fitting bright-colored polo shirt (with, dare I add, the dreaded "popped collar"?). Yuk.

    For those of you in favor of this look, please accept my apologies. I assure you I am barely able to dress my way out of a made-to-measure paper bag.
     


  9. crs

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    Khakis are comfortable.

    They are adaptable. You can wear a t-shirt; you can wear a button-down collar, tie and blazer.

    They work better than wool in hot weather, especially in humidity or rain.

    They don't need dry cleaning.

    Moths won't eat them.

    They strike a nice balance between not trying and trying too hard; they are the canvas behind the artist's paint.

    When they start to show some wear they are still good for the most casual wear around the house.

    In prep school they were the loophole in the no-jeans rule and thus became part of our sartorial tradition.

    To each his own. I wear khakis a lot. I won't wear tassels on loafers because it makes me think of the court jester with bells on his feet, but that doesn't mean I have the right to mock people who wear them.
     


  10. Phil

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    count me on the pro-khaki side. I wear them all the time, and love em. I can understand the criticism I suppose, from some of the more "fashion forward' in the forum, but really, to each his own. (I think people automatically think of a paunchy middle aged man in pleated doctors when they think of khakis). When I see skinny young guys in tight boot cut jeans and pointy shoes I want to throw them in traffic, but I say nothing, and just chalk it up to "the each his own" theory on life. For myself, I wear them with everything from a t-shirt, to a cashmere sweater, to an old BB button down and a tweed jacket. Never ironed, never pleated, hopefully beaten up and frayed, and you are good to go. Ive become slightly obsessed with Bill's Khakis of late, the M1 model, with the high waist. They are too baggy, sloppy looking when unironed, but are really just perfect. I love slim fitting clothes also, but everything doesnt have to be that way. A great pair of loose fitting, frayed, fading khakis, put on right out of the dryer, there really isnt much better. In a clothing sense, at least.
     


  11. AJL

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    Certainly you have the right to mock them, however it may be considered impolitic, rude, or against your nature to do so. I suppose I am being overly literal here, but then the Bresch-Manton "Thrilla in StyleForumilla" still has me a bit jazzed up. I'll be quiet now [​IMG]
     


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    Now that's funny... Chalk one up for the pro-khaki guys.

    PS: I kinda know what you mean: it does take on a kind of uber-hip lemming-like quality after a while. Ditto for the young gals who skink around in their Manolo Blahniks , with their murderous spiked heels and overly extended toes that appear headed toward the next zip code. On the snow-laden streets of Boston in the dead of winter, there is nothing more hilarious or ridiculous. Talk about vanity, sheesh.
     


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    ah, LA Guy, some thoughts on torture are more aligned to not really caring if the guy talks, just ensuring a slow painful death

    but you are correct
     


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    I can't believe this thread got this big...

    Jon.
     


  15. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    I see nothing wrong with hating certain clothes. I hate all kinds of clothes. And that hatred does not crowd out or conflict with my (much stronger) hatred of communism, fascism and child molesters. I suppose I have plenty of bile to go around.
     


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