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Can somebody please explain why square toed shoes/long lasts are so derided around here?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Gdot, Jul 28, 2011.

  1. blahman

    blahman Senior member

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    Loving DWFII's very informative posts.
    This one just reminded me about my own feet being very pointing as I have been wearing some very narrow shoes from a very young age.

    I have owned some really square toes shoes back in high school. Now days I prefer moderately chisel toed elongated shoes a la the lots of Ferragamos and Mantellassis.

    Why are there not much complaint about C&Js on the 348 last?
     
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  2. Gdot

    Gdot Senior member

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    [quote name="blahman" url="/forum/thread/258487/can-somebody-please-explain-why-square-toed-shoes-long-lasts-are-so-derided-around-here/60#post_4714878"

    Why are there not much complaint about C&Js on the 348 last?[/quote]

    Hi Blahman,

    Not sure I understand your question.......could you please say more?.
     
  3. VRaivio

    VRaivio Senior member

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    DWFII, thanks for bringing us down to earth. I haven't really looked at children's feet before, think I'll be ogling a bit more in the future. In a proper way, of course.
     
  4. Pliny

    Pliny Senior member

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    the Vass U is square and longer. gets plenty of love here.

    but cheap snouty square toes that curl up like some kind of 16C jester shoe. see them everywhere:
     
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  5. Makoto Chan

    Makoto Chan Senior member

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    +1 to this. You can buy something fun or creative or trendy if your want to and sometimes that's a good choice, but the guiding, general principle is well stated above.

    Also FWIW, I think a lot of the "nicest" shoes posted on the Shoe Porn thread are way too pointy... It could be fashion, it could be because most men get fatter as they get older and look better in a thinner shoe, or I could be off-base, I don't know.
     
  6. blahman

    blahman Senior member

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    ^^ Or that there are a lot of hypocrites around here :p
     
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    kev777 Senior member

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    It may not be as much hypocrite as afraid to admit, it always amazes how in PM how many people admit to.....

    1 How many pair(s) of Church shoes they have and how much they like them and dont get the forum hate for them.

    2 How many pair(s) of Loake 1880 shoes they have and think the forum dislike is unjustified.

    3 Not having any love for many of the Crockett & Jones lasts notably the 348 and just dont get the Forum hype for C&J.

    Just the ones that come to mind......
     
  8. mensimageconsultant

    mensimageconsultant Senior member

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    dirtyturk Well-Known Member

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    shoes, like clothes, have a primary purpose which is functional and a secondary purpose which is visual. "classic style" is fashion that stick to the functional aspects derived from nature whereas "modern style" favors the visual over the practical.

    Does a neon pink polystyrene suit breathe and drape like wool. No. But you might be considered "fashionable" so people will wear it. The same with pointy green burnished leather shoes or stiletto heels. They are uncomfortable, impractical, and soon will be "ugly" when the new fashion comes in to wear clogs again.
     
  10. Axel Ferguson

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    Yeah, nothing to do with the fact Church make decent shoes, Loakes are good for their price, or that this forum can be C&J echo chamber, nope.
     
  11. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    Square toes, with variations of height, were popular among all classes from kings to commoner, from the mid 1600's to the late 1800's.
     
  12. Fuuma

    Fuuma Senior member

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    That's because they're already out of style.
     
  13. Fuuma

    Fuuma Senior member

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    Nothing more natural than wearing some buttonned woolens with insect cocoon remains tied like a noose around your neck, hell I see baboons dress like that all the time when they're lounging at the bar. Oh wait you're a moron.
     
  14. Costanza

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    Aren't there more than one type of square toe? Wide. Long. Wide and long. Short. Narrow. Short and narrow. Some are more perverse than others.
    The 'extremes' are extreme because they seem silly to a larger number of people.
    As someone with a long foot, I avoid long lasts, whether round, square or pointed. I also usually look for a visual break in the length of a shoe through some detail. With the extreme shapes even normal feet look silly to me, except when scaling chain link. That goes goes for women's feet as well.
     
  15. TheBatman

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    I believe you have betrayed your bias. Your objection to rounded American lasts has to do with conditioning and associated memories. You don't dislike them because of aesthetics, but because you have memories of "old fuddy duddy's" wearing them.

    Ironically, you sound like an "old fuddy duddy" by using that archaic expression.

    And I strongly disagree with your assertion that "group think" is the driving force behind an aversion to square toed shoes that is prevalent, among the more refined gentlemen anyway. You are still begging the question. Why didn't group think drive an affinity for the square toe as opposed to aversion?

    I submit it has to do with basic aesthetic rules that have been known about and studies for many centuries. You would do well to perhaps study some basic art and design material, even photography. I suggest looking into Adam Marelli, a photographer who employs the classic design principals in his work, the same principals that underlay all visually pleasing compositions. You can find his seminars on youtube which are excellent primers.

    In short, the design/composition answer is that there are no natural right angles or sharp angles anywhere on the human body. The curve is a natural organic shape, and is thus pleasing to the eye. It guides the eye on a tour of the foot. If you look at great shoe lasts, you will see that the edges of the sole and other design elements on the shoe create arabesques, which are classical markers of beauty.

    But like I said, unless you are aware of these things you won't be able to notice them.
     
  16. taxgenius

    taxgenius Senior member

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    Reminds me of Kenneth Cole.
     

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