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Cameras: Help me decide

Tokyo Slim

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Out of those two cameras, I'd probably go with the D80. Its a little more camera, but I like the ISO specs better, it seems to have a nicer hand grip, and it takes SD and SD-HC. Microdrive storage space is nice and all, but When you can get a 1GB Sandisk SD card for $13... and a 2 GB for $24 (sometimes fry's has good deals too), microdrive/compactflash sounds more and more like a rip off.
 

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Depends on whether you want to get into the Nikon or Canon systems. The D80 is the better body, and I bought into the Nikon system a long time ago, so I would buy that, but Canon's size and greater resources allow for better technology a step ahead of Nikon. Between the lenses, the overall lineups are similar, some good and some bad. Try them out and see which you are more comofrtable with. I could never get used to Canons, other can never feel at home with Nikon.
 

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I’m a Nikon guy, I think that their lenses are better and their overall designs (for lack of a better word) are better designed for the photographer. That being said, I really want a Leica or a Hasselblad.
Jon.
 

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Leicas and Blads are getting more and more affordable, as least in terms of equipment. Very different from this DSLR market.
 

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Originally Posted by whoopee
Leicas and Blads are getting more and more affordable, as least in terms of equipment. Very different from this DSLR market.
Hasselblad seems to be getting more afforadble whilst Leica's rangefinders are as expensive as ever, at about $3500-4000 new. The vintage M market seems rather stable; as always the Japanese are buying them up.
 

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Both are pretty bad cameras for SLRs - the viewfinders are terrible. Take a look at the KM-7D.

Really, its amazing how many people underestimate the importance of the viewfinder. If you're getting an SLR, get the best viewfinder you can - otherwise, the Sony H5 and Panasonic FZ-50 are probably better value for money.
 

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The RD-1 is a beautiful camera. If you're used to a Leica, that is the way to go.
 

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Originally Posted by aarghh
The RD-1 is a beautiful camera. If you're used to a Leica, that is the way to go.
It's been my experience that vintage Leicas actually have some of the best viewfinders out there. However, the new Japanese Zeiss Ikon also has a very superior viewfinder. Of course, you can always attach a seperate viewfinder.
 

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The RD-1 doesn't do most Leica lenses justice. The viewfinder is not up to scratch either. The Zeiss Ikon VF is up there with the M3's.
 

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I concur - vintage Leicas and the Ikon have excellent viewfinders. The brightest viewfinder I have found in rangefinders has been the Voigtlander Bessa-R2, made by Cosina - who also contributed to the RD-1.
 

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The vintage lenses made for old Alpas by the now defunct companies of Kern Aarau, etc. were very superior even in comparison with the famed Leitz glass, and their so-called "bokeh". The Kern Switar was one such lens.

The inter-war Zeiss glass was also exceptionaly high quality especially the wide-angle Biogon 35mm f:2.8, which the Russians did a decent copy of with their Jupiter-12. Unfortunately, the Contax cameras weren't always so reliable.
 

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Originally Posted by whoopee
The RD-1 doesn't do most Leica lenses justice. The viewfinder is not up to scratch either. The Zeiss Ikon VF is up there with the M3's.
I'm not sure what you mean by not doing Leica lenses justice. In what way? I also found the viewfinder to be very bright - brighter than the M3, in fact. How is it not upto scratch?
 

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