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C&J Tetbury: creasing problem?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by trickers1829, Oct 13, 2010.

  1. BicesterRules

    BicesterRules Active Member

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    Prince as in Phillip , I, II

    yes he was a king, but was born a prince
     
  2. bleachboy

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    Snuff suede and double leather soles?

    Umm... no. Oops. Mine are Dainite. Is the double leather a special order or something?
     
  3. NOBD

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    Umm... no. Oops. Mine are Dainite. Is the double leather a special order or something?

    Very, very special ("store MTO"), but the colour is even more special. Ask Trini for more information.
     
  4. trickers1829

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    Now, I'm officially a Tetbury owner. Will report how they develop.
     
  5. Loudly

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    FWIW, I think Tetbury fits 0.5 size big.
    If I understand correctly, that's also my experience. I have a whole slew of C&J shoes, all of which fit in size 8. Except my two pairs of Tetburys, which are 8.5. Strange, since they are on the same last as some of my other shoes.
     
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    Now, I'm officially a Tetbury owner. Will report how they develop.

    How have they worked out for you?

    -LR
     
  7. gdl203

    gdl203 Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    If I understand correctly, that's also my experience. I have a whole slew of C&J shoes, all of which fit in size 8. Except my two pairs of Tetburys, which are 8.5. Strange, since they are on the same last as some of my other shoes.

    Even stranger since I meant the opposite. I recommend to size down 1/2 for Tetburys
     
  8. Claus

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    Even stranger since I meant the opposite. I recommend to size down 1/2 for Tetburys
    Just checked my available data. Here are the average nominal allowences (the difference between the max. feet length and the nominal last length):
    • Any 348 last by Crockett & Jones:~ 1.3 sizes
    • Any last by Crockett & Jones: ~ 1.9 sizes
    • Any last with a UK size: ~ 2.0 sizes
    That appears to confirm your impression to size down half a size. Note, however, that my sample of ratings for the first two groups is rather small and has a large varience. On a personal note: I believe, noone should go below a nominal allowence of 1.5 sizes for the UK or US systems.
     
  9. aj_del

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    I sized up and they fit OK. I wear 9.5 in CJ Hallam and Lowndes but ordered 10 in Tetbury
     
  10. Loudly

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    Even stranger since I meant the opposite. I recommend to size down 1/2 for Tetburys

    I must have freakish feet. Perhaps the extended upper latches on to my ankle in a way that makes the bigger size fit better. I would expect that, if this were the explanation, there would be fit problems below (slipping heel etc.) which there aren't.
     
  11. NOBD

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    Sized up a half too (compared to 337 last).
     
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    Are people sizing up on the 348 because of the narrow fit though?
     
  13. NOBD

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    Yes. Sorry, my answer was rather short: I have wide feet and a high instep.
     
  14. gdl203

    gdl203 Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    You guys who sized up must feel like you're wearing skis, no? That shoe is already so elongated with a lot of unused space at the toe... Anyhow, my feet are not wide but my instep is high, so the shape and closure of a chukka lets me get into a smaller shoe and still accommodate my high instep. My other 348 needed a half size up. Sizing advice is so dependent on foot shape that it becomes pretty useless very fast.
     
  15. NOBD

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    Yes, they feel big.

    And +1 on the advice issues.
     
  16. maltess

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    I had a different experience with the size in the Suede Tetbury Chukka. I sized down 1/2 and its been OK at the beginning. After some use and specially after starting to use a shoe tree they became small and I wish I had order regular size. I hink the suede has strecth a bit and now my feet is moving a bit forward and the toe is unconfortable.

    The cresing, yes, maybe the creases a re bit more pronounced than in a shorter chukka but not a big deal
     
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    Just checked my available data. Here are the average nominal allowences (the difference between the max. feet length and the nominal last length):
    • Any 348 last by Crockett & Jones:~ 1.3 sizes
    • Any last by Crockett & Jones: ~ 1.9 sizes
    • Any last with a UK size: ~ 2.0 sizes
    That appears to confirm your impression to size down half a size. Note, however, that my sample of ratings for the first two groups is rather small and has a large varience. On a personal note: I believe, noone should go below a nominal allowence of 1.5 sizes for the UK or US systems.

    What does he mean with feet length and the nominal last?

    For example my feet are 28cm / 11 inch. Does this men I have to buy a UK 9 C&J (11-1.9= 9.1)

    Nominal last length is that the outer sole, inner sole length?
     
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    Foot length is not last length.

    To walk properly you need empty space (allowance) in front of the toes, How much allowance is correct is a matter of never-ending quarrels. It depends an toe shape, preference, fashion, school of last/shoemaking etc. The shoe size refers to the length of the last (not the foot).

    An English "size" is 1/3 " (8,5 mm). 1 !/2 sizes (1/2" or 13 mm) is probably the the absolute minimum required to prevent your toes hitting the front of the shoe every time you take a step.
     
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    Sorry for my ignorance but what should that mean if the inside of the sole is e.g. 30cm? My feet should be 28.5cm than?
     
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    If your feet are 28 cm long and the insole (measurement taken inside the shoe) is 30 cm long, that particular shoe has a toe allowance of 20 mm. This is in no way extreme, particular in connection with a 'smart' toe shape.
     

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