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C&J handgrade sizing

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by AJL, Dec 12, 2004.

  1. AJL

    AJL Distinguished Member

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    Once again, I am scratching my head over sizing issues regarding the 337 last. Some of you may recall an earlier exchange regarding the difference between U.S. & U.K. sizing, specifically dealing with the Seymour & Savile ( http://www.styleforum.net/cgi-bin....saviles ). After months of trying to convince myself that my Saviles fit ok, I finally realized they didn't; they were too roomy, subsequently I was not wearing them and you know the old adage there... I ended up selling them to a SF member this weekend, with some regret. I would like to buy a new, smaller pair from Mr. Doshi, or possibly even a pair of the new handgrade boots--the Sandown--but I am still unsure as to whether a 6.5 E will fit, or possibly be too small, as were the 7 D U.S. Seymours that made the rounds a while back. I am still not convinced that these 7D's were the equivalent of 6.5 E's U.K. although Alias seemed to suggest that was the case, since he ended up with them and has another handgrade pair (Audleys) in 6.5E. To resummarize, I found the 7E Saviles extremely roomy in the toebox, both lengthwise and width/heightwise. I find it hard to believe that dropping down 1/2 size would make a difference from overly roomy, to quite tight, although I guess Dan found quite a difference between the 7d & 7.5D Seymours that he tried on at Barney's. For those of you who own C&J's on the 337 last, what has been your experience regarding sizing & fit? Is it possible that the 337 last just won't fit my foot properly? It seems odd, because I have no problems with other shoe lines, including C&J benchgrade, which I actually have in 7E, contrary to the 6.5E that was first suggested to me by Mr. Doshi and others here. The 6.5E's were just too restrictive. Apologies for going on a bit, I'm just so frustrated, and would like to figure this thing out before I attempt to reorder.

  2. ct2272

    ct2272 Well-Known Member

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    Jul 12, 2004
    I purchased some handgrades from Mr. Doshi on the 337 last. For my 12D feet, I went with 11.5E.

    They fit perfect.

    Other members feel that going 1 full size down would be better. I will let them comment on this.


  3. montecristo#4

    montecristo#4 Stylish Dinosaur

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    Reagan Country (Massachusetts)
    I bought a pair of UK 10E Audleys on the 337 to fit my US size 10.5D feet. They were too big. I assume I need a 9.5E. I returned them to Plal and didn't replace them because I found that the quality was disappointing (not at the same level as my Mortimer handgrades on the 330 last from Ben Silver).


  4. dah328

    dah328 Distinguished Member

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    Dec 6, 2003
    For what it's worth, my Seymours still feel roomy. I'm rather disappointed as I think they should have settled in by now. That said, the next half size smaller was definitely too small. Maybe the 337 last just doesn't fit my foot well. If I get a good paycheck this year, I'm planning to order some Weymouths from plal. Based on my current experiences, I'm expecting some sizing hassles, though. [​IMG] dan

  5. tiger02

    tiger02 Militarist

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    JL et al, I appreciate your obsession with sizing detail, it makes me much more comfortable buying shoes online. I have a hell of a time trying to find shoes that fit just right when I can try them on, let alone when all I can do is look at the pretty pictures.

    For those who have bought the 337 last in the 9.5E size range, how is the fit? I'm not looking for "true to size," I'm looking more for "wide toe box, narrow heel" type observations. Apologies if this has been discussed before, I didn't have any luck with a search.


  6. Stu

    Stu Distinguished Member

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    Mar 12, 2002
    The half-size down worked for me as well. I bought the Belgraves in 9E and they worked fine. I wear a 9.5 D in U.S.

    One point, though, is that a full size down is not necessarily bad either. My first foray into PLAL I bought a pair of the Whitehalls in 8 1/2 E. They were painfully tight, to the point that when I wore them I limped.

    But I had them stretched several times, and as they eventually wore in, they contoured themselves to my feet, and now they are wonderful. Something to keep in mind.

    You might want to also take hte plunge and order from the store in London. They offer you the service of drawing and outline of your foot and faxing it to them, where they will fit you exactly. Could be the way to go, at least once. And it would be worth paying the extra $150 or so to get it right once and resolve the issue for your future purchases from PLAL.

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