C&J 337 Last

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  1. Roger

    Roger Senior member

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    Roger - that could just be an artifact of the photo angle in that thumbnail. My pair (http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/6981/wey2fn4.jpg) from this angle doesn't look so extreme, although they are not as closely cut as EGs. And in any case you've got two pairs of Newburys - what do you need with another pair of wholecuts?? [​IMG]
    Tattersall, you're right; in your picture, they do appear much more closely cut. Damn, those are nice. Yours seem a slightly lighter shade than what I had imagined the Dark Brown Antique Calf to be--more like the classic British Chestnut colour--and the antiquing really shows up well, unlike what I've seen in some C&Js.

    And re wholecuts, need has absolutely nothing to do with it! [​IMG]
     


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    And re wholecuts, need has absolutely nothing to do with it! [​IMG]


    Sounds like someone is in denial [​IMG]
     


  3. tattersall

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    Tattersall, you're right; in your picture, they do appear much more closely cut. Damn, those are nice. Yours seem a slightly lighter shade than what I had imagined the Dark Brown Antique Calf to be--more like the classic British Chestnut colour--and the antiquing really shows up well, unlike what I've seen in some C&Js.

    And re wholecuts, need has absolutely nothing to do with it! [​IMG]


    Re: Colour - I think this has more to do with my amateurish photographic skills than reality - the flash went off and I don't photoshop. Here's a shot from another view where the colour is closer to reality.

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    For comparison purposes, I'd put these slightly lighter than EG dark oak but darker than burnt pine.
     


  4. skalogre

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    Re: Colour - I think this has more to do with my amateurish photographic skills than reality - the flash went off and I don't photoshop. Here's a shot from another view where the colour is closer to reality.

    [​IMG]

    For comparison purposes, I'd put these slightly lighter than EG dark oak but darker than burnt pine.


    Beautiful
     


  5. horton

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    I agree with Roger. I have the Clifford and it's mildly chiseled.
     


  6. NoVaguy

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    Tattersall, you're right; in your picture, they do appear much more closely cut. Damn, those are nice. Yours seem a slightly lighter shade than what I had imagined the Dark Brown Antique Calf to be--more like the classic British Chestnut colour--and the antiquing really shows up well, unlike what I've seen in some C&Js.

    And re wholecuts, need has absolutely nothing to do with it! [​IMG]


    Pretty sure the weymouth comes in 3 colors - (1) black, (2) a chestnut or tan, and (3) dark brown.

    Ben Silver's website shows the two brown's side by side. See:

    http://www.bensilver.com/fs_storefro...t=112&show=408
     


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    The C&J Paris boot on the 337 last seems to be more sharp-looking:

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  8. Roger

    Roger Senior member

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    Pretty sure the weymouth comes in 3 colors - (1) black, (2) a chestnut or tan, and (3) dark brown.

    Ben Silver's website shows the two brown's side by side. See:

    http://www.bensilver.com/fs_storefro...t=112&show=408

    Right, Ben Silver does have some colors made for them that are not available directly from C&J or the usual C&J suppliers like P Lal and Pediwear. However, outside of Ben Silver, I don't think the Weymouth is available in anything other than Black and Dark Brown Antique Calf, although I'd be happy to be shown that this is incorrect. (Unfortunately, Ben Silver prices are very high--$595 for this shoe, and thus about $200 more than at P Lal--and the Weymouth never seems to go on sale for $250 the way some Handgrades do.) So I suspect that Tattersall's Weymouths are in the Dark Brown version. I must say that I like it much more than I thought I did before, now that I've seen some good pictures of it. The antiquing really seems to stand out. Maybe I actually do need one more pair of wholecuts. Migawd, where does this end? [​IMG]
     


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    The C&J Paris boot on the 337 last seems to be more sharp-looking:

    [​IMG]



    Is this boot only available through their French outlet? I keep hearing about a chelsea boot on the 337 last, but it's not in their catalog, on their web site or available through any of the online distributors, AFAICT... [​IMG]
     


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    (Unfortunately, Ben Silver prices are very high--$595 for this shoe, and thus about $200 more than at P Lal--and the Weymouth never seems to go on sale for $250 the way some Handgrades do.)

    It's not that the Ben Silver price is high, it's that the P.Lal price is low and duty/tax free. $595 is a fair price for the weymouth, given that pediwear charges 285 + 18 GBP + maybe duty to get them to your door.
     


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    Is this boot only available through their French outlet? I keep hearing about a chelsea boot on the 337 last, but it's not in their catalog, on their web site or available through any of the online distributors, AFAICT... [​IMG]
    Apparently you can order it through C&J London where they will ship it to you. Crockett & Jones Paris has their own website, and their own styles, developed by Dimitri Gomez.
     


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    Apparently you can order it through C&J London where they will ship it to you.

    Crockett & Jones Paris has their own website, and their own styles, developed by Dimitri Gomez.


    Was just looking at it. Found the Drummond there too, which was another mystery C&J to me. Nice shoe.
     


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    Is this boot only available through their French outlet? I keep hearing about a chelsea boot on the 337 last, but it's not in their catalog, on their web site or available through any of the online distributors, AFAICT... [​IMG]

    Holy crap that is a nice boot. Look at that toe shape...
     


  14. Roger

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    It's not that the Ben Silver price is high, it's that the P.Lal price is low and duty/tax free. $595 is a fair price for the weymouth, given that pediwear charges 285 + 18 GBP + maybe duty to get them to your door.
    I would have to agree with half of that statement: P. Lal's price is low! So, if one is buying online (as, for example, through Ben Silver), why would anyone buy from anywhere other than P. Lal (given their well-documented great service too) unless, perhaps, that person had a buy-US mentality (which in this case wouldn't apply to the product, only the seller)? However, I can't agree that Ben Silver's price is not high, and, in my opinion, the only reason to buy from them at a non-sale price would be to get the tan color. Pediwear, at 285 + 18 GBP, or C&J mail order themselves in London, at 272 + 30 GBP, will put your tootsies into a pair of Weymouths for about $50 less than will Ben Silver (when shipping from Ben Silver is added in, and, as I understand it in the US, duty is seldom assessed), thus making the Ben Silver price comparatively high--which is what we mean by high in the first place: about $50 higher than Pediwear and C&J, and $200 higher than P. Lal. Given this comparative context, what would we consider a reasonable price? [​IMG]
     


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    I would have to agree with half of that statement: P. Lal's price is low! So, if one is buying online (as, for example, through Ben Silver), why would anyone buy from anywhere other than P. Lal (given their well-documented great service too) unless, perhaps, that person had a buy-US mentality (which in this case wouldn't apply to the product, only the seller)? However, I can't agree that Ben Silver's price is not high, and, in my opinion, the only reason to buy from them at a non-sale price would be to get the tan color. Pediwear, at 285 + 18 GBP, or C&J mail order themselves in London, at 272 + 30 GBP, will put your tootsies into a pair of Weymouths for about $50 less than will Ben Silver (when shipping from Ben Silver is added in, and, as I understand it in the US, duty is seldom assessed), thus making the Ben Silver price comparatively high--which is what we mean by high in the first place: about $50 higher than Pediwear and C&J, and $200 higher than P. Lal. Given this comparative context, what would we consider a reasonable price? [​IMG]

    I think one of the issues is that all the American outlets (Barney's, T&A store in NYC) charge $595, and T&A may charge $650, although my memory's a bit spotty. But this is a classic case of price discrimination being foiled by the shrinking world. Ben Silver overcharges on everything else, but I think their prices for the shoes are reasonable. Of course, I order from Plal, since I always like saving $200 per shoe with minimal effort...
     


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