Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Widofornia, Mar 26, 2013.
If you are in LA, you can go to Richard Lim at High Society. He will do you an MTM suit for $1,000.
Back to Sierra Trading Post.....great, no hassle return policy. But, beware that fits vary among Isaia models.
I'd go back to off the rack, but only because there are a couple of brands I can get good deals on that fit me almost perfectly with no alterations. If that wasn't true, I'd be right there with you.
There's some nuance in all this, but I believe that "custom" is used in place of "bespoke" quite often. A MTM suit is generally not fully custom as it has some standard features. Kent Wang I know is MTM and I'm assuming HKT is. This is not to disparage MTM suits. I have been very happy with the work Joe Hemrajani has done for me and I don't see a reason to pay more. That said, I admit it is not fully custom. Apologies if I am misinterpreting your use of custom here.
There are diminishing marginal returns as you spend more on clothing. If I could get a free pair of shoes from any maker, I would choose EG or John Lobb over C&J, but I'd rather have 2 pairs of C&J than one pair of EG or John Lobb (or one pair of C&J and a couple pairs of MTM trousers). The point at which we say we've reached diminishing marginal returns and we're happy with what we have is personal. Likewise, I'd rather have five suits from Hemrajani (or one suit and a trip to the Caribbean during Chicago's winter) than one suit from Huntsman.
I know the suit that you bought. I was debating if I should pull the trigger or not, but ended up getting a Zegna DB suit for $900 at a local store. Assuming that OTR Isaia suits fit you, I think $1K for Isaia suit is very good bang for buck (at $1500 is fair price). I don't think there is any downside buying goods from STP, I found that STP has excellent customer services and good return policy. In my limited experience with buying suits, I have not come across $1K - $2K MTM suits match quality of Isaia OTR suits quality.
Cheap MTM can be pretty bad. So we can't really generalize. For anyone who is unclear, MTM is definitely not the same as bespoke.
STP can have some great deals. And their return policy is excellent if you don't abuse it. For example, a lot of people who are not clear which size will fit best in a particular cut order two sizes and return the one that doesn't fit.
$3000 for pretty much any OTR suit is stupid. $1000 for something like Isaia is a pretty good deal. $100-$200 in alterations and you will have an outstanding suit.
The biggest problem with STP is that they usually only have rather odd patterns available in their better stuff. If you can get a solid Isaia suit -- especially in navy -- for $1000, snap it up.
Well said Archibald L. I agree with you fully!
Sadly, STP no longer carries Belvest, which they did with a large inventory, a few years back.
It is the equal and possibly superior to Isaia and tend to fit me better. I have one Isaia jacket from
them which is my go-to lightweight blue blazer. They no longer carry the model.
Thanks to all for the advice. The MTM point is well taken and was considered but the OTR Isaias I tried looked and felt great. Here in Boston I don't think $1000 MTM gets you the same fabric and construction as well but I'd love to hear if I'm wrong.
I thought Lim's operation was closer to bespoke--you got at least one and maybe two fittings. I don't remember the particulars, but I think somebody said his price for a 2-piece from something like VBC 110 was around $1,200, so $1,000 sounds optimistic unless he does fused.
Ditto, I suspect Hemrajani is going to be more than $1K with any kind of worthwhile fabric these days. I believe Chan is now up to around $1,400 for their entry-level suits.
If you paid $1,000 for a ready-to-wear suit, then you don't know anything about "due diligence."
No it's not. I have a bunch of sammy mtm and you're looking at well over a g for anything with good fabric. SC's will cost you 12-1300 in the heavier oz wools.
Well, I can only tell you what I paid him. Which was a grand. Maybe he will charge you more.
Should have qualified my post. In Canada you can find Samuelsohn mtm for 1k or even cheaper in some cases. My apologies.
I love how this thread has virtually nothing to do with the question posted by the OP.
SOTD: Creed Aventus.
Here in Montreal, Samuelsohn is about 1k maybe 1200 for a Mtm 2 piece, helps that the factory is practically downtown.
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