Business Casual is Hard

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Kai, Oct 7, 2010.

  1. ChicagoMediaMan

    ChicagoMediaMan Senior member

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    it really depends on the atmosphere of your workplace in particular...

    This.

    Nobody here really knows the specific atmosphere and culture of your work environment so we really can't answer your question. Only you know the answer. Is your CEO the type of person that would be impressed with you wearing a suit? Or is he the type of person that would think you are over-doing it or trying to hard by wearing a suit? What do other department heads do when they make similar presentations?
     


  2. ChicagoMediaMan

    ChicagoMediaMan Senior member

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    My biz casual fridays consist of zanellas and a polo shirt. I get sick of suits and dressing up everyday, love wearing a damn polo shirt. At my bank you are not allowed to wear khakis for biz casual days.

    No offense, but wool trousers + polo shirt = bad look.
     


  3. lou

    lou Senior member

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    as someone said above, the correct move is not being the only going in a suit and tie, the correct move is adding on a blazer. that adds the right amount of formality/seriousness without going overboard.

    I don't disagree with your statement here depending on the context of the event.


    my assumption, again, is that OP would be the only guy in a suit and tie. you don't want to be that guy, you want to be in same ballpark as everyone else, just looking extremely crisp and put together and perhaps a bit more formal

    There is another way to look at this event, and I would want to be just above my peers when defending my department.


    As the OP said, he is defending his dept. budget. He has people's jobs, and lives on the line for what he is going to be presenting. He is basically interviewing for his department's position and how company resources are going to allocated. It may very well be that his own future with the company could be affected by how well he handles this event.

    Ultimately, the material that he presents is the most important aspect of this meeting. It must be correct, and he must be able to defend his position, his people, and size of the piece of corporate pie that they deserve. In todays market, once you start giving up money, it is very hard to get it back. You do not want to be 2nd string to any other person with whom you are competing.

    In buisness be this!

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    Not this guy!

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  4. whiteslashasian

    whiteslashasian Senior member

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    My co-workers all wear business casual up until the Director level (square toe shoes, black polyester blend slacks, shiny colorful shirts from Express, no tie) so I like to step it up a notch, especially since I work on the client site. Slacks, sportcoats, ties, and nice shoes are a way to step it up. The most important thing is fit; Get to know your tailor!

    Today I'm wearing gray incotex wool pants, brown suede punch caps - Stuart's Choice, a blue gingham shirt from TM Lewin, a deep red and navy paisley tie by E. Zegna, and a nicely tailored J. Press navy DB jacket with smoke MOP buttons and a blue/gold PS.

    I always put more thought into my dress than co-workers, while I stand out a little, everyone knows this is how I dress. Some have actually have been trying to emulate it, with varying degrees of success. I know many directors and VP's have complimented me on my professional and sharp attire.

    If no one else is wearing a suit to that meeting, including the CEO, then I wouldn't wear one. A sharp sportcoat, slacks, nice shoes, and perhaps a tie should look good without overreaching.
     


  5. lou

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    I always put more thought into my dress than co-workers, while I stand out a little, everyone knows this is how I dress. Some have actually have been trying to emulate it, with varying degrees of success. I know many directors and VP's have complimented me on my professional and sharp attire.

    If no one else is wearing a suit to that meeting, including the CEO, then I wouldn't wear one. A sharp sportcoat, slacks, nice shoes, and perhaps a tie should look good without overreaching.


    This attitude has always been what I find. People appreciate the fact that you care enough to treat something with enough respect to deem it worthy of your best effort. Showing up with your "A" game has never been a bad thing.
     


  6. polar-lemon

    polar-lemon Senior member

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    I second the advice for sportcoat. It's easy to pass it off as outerwear before temperatures have truly plummeted. Add a tie if your work environment is not excessively informal (jeans and sneakers), you can always remove it if you're uncomfortable or out of place.

    Tieless jacket is a chameleon look, wear it most days.
     


  7. amplifiedheat

    amplifiedheat Senior member

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    Slim trousers have no inherent superiority to full trousers. The crucial thing with slimmer pants is not to exchange ill-fitting full pants for ill-fitting slim pants. Pulling at the crotch is a fit problem. So is puddling fabric at the shoe, and so is visible sock when standing.
     


  8. makewayhomer

    makewayhomer Senior member

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    right, navy blue suit w/ no tie is a decent option as well
     


  9. GasparddeColigny

    GasparddeColigny Senior member

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    Excel within the confines of the context, if you overdress you have either problems correctly appraising the situation or you put your own ego before everything else. Neither of these work in favour.
     


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    Some have actually have been trying to emulate it, with varying degrees of success.

    I like this type of thinking, and more people need to think like this as opposed to "I can't wear this or that (an item that is usually acceptable) for fear it might offend someone at work or give them the wrong impression".
     


  11. aphextwin07

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    add a sportscoat so you're 1+ and leave it at that

    this
     


  12. atila

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    probably done to death... but where to find slim fit business casual shirts for relatively decent price? (ie. under $100).

    All of mine kinda poof out when I sit down.


    buy a $30-50 shirt and put in $20-50 to get it tailored
     


  13. Douglas

    Douglas Stupid ass member

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    why wouldn't you just add a sportcoat here?
     


  14. SkinnyGoomba

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  15. globetrotter

    globetrotter Senior member

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    1. good to see you posting Kai

    2. I hate business casual, too

    3. when I think of jobs that would allow one to dress differently from the rest of the office, in house council seems to be close to the top of the list. somehow, I seem to remember that that is what you do, but I might be mistaken

    4. I tend to suit up when I present to my CEO, too.
     


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