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Burgundy shoe appreciation thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Get Smart, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. Get Smart

    Get Smart Don't Crink

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    Talk amongst yourselves [​IMG]
    dayummm. that is a sweet shoe, is it Graziano & Girling? (i'm assuming from the GG logo on tree) regardless, that is my definition of a perfect shoe.
     


  2. dkzzzz

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    Yes - they decided to use the term "bordeaux" instead of "burgundy" in that case. Companies give various fancy names to differentiate between different shades of a color (chocolate, dark oak, espresso, walnut - rosewood, bordeaux, riojas, burnt red...) but at the end burgundy and bordeaux is the same thing in two different languages


    I always thought that Burgundy as well as Bordeaux are both located in France therefore they would be both French words. Why do you keep calling "burgundy and bordeaux is the same thing in two different languages"?????
     


  3. Leaveitothexperts

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    Talk amongst yourselves

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    It could be my screen, but I'm not sure I would call those burgundy . . . they look red . . . .

    sweet shoes nonetheless . . ..
     


  4. Christofuh

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    flood lights
     


  5. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff grrrrrrrr!!

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    red or not, those are sweet!!!
    anyone got their g and g yet? how many more months before the first orders start rolling in for all of you?
    i took the other route and got the vass.
     


  6. epa

    epa Senior member

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    I just checked what was written on my "burdeos" (=bordeaux in Spanish) colour shoe polish box from Carmina. It says, "burdeos/burdeaux/burgundy". That is, the manufacturer considers that the colour should be called "burdeos" in Spanish and "bordeaux" in French but, for some reason, "burgundy" in English. That is also the feeling that I have, that is, that it is all about the same colour, just that in English the word corresponding to the "Bourgogne" wine area has traditionally been chosen to represent this colour, whereas Spanish and French use the term correspondong to the "Burdeaux" wine area.
    Obviously, in both wine areas wines of different colours and shades are produced, also excellent white wines.
     


  7. nizzl

    nizzl New Member

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    I recently ordered a pair of Cole Hahn "Caldwell" shoes in burgundy and had them delivered to JOS Bank. When I picked them up I first thought they were black. The salesperson insisted that they were burgundy, and showed me in different lights how you can see the red tint to them. I can see that there is a some sort of burgundy or oxblood base to them, but they are way too dark for my tastes (most people that I have shown them to initially think they are black as well).
    I'm sure if I complain to a manager that the salesperson convinced me into taking them when I really didn't like the color, I can get them replaced. However, since they were worn for that afternoon, I know they are unsellable at this point, so I don't want to go that route.
    Is there a way to lighten them? Perhaps with polish? They are really nice shoes, I just want them lighter. Please let me know if there is a way to salvage them and how.
    Thanks in advance for your help!!
     


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    What's the difference between Burgundy and Cordovan?
    What would AE's Merlot be?
     


  9. sho'nuff

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    What's the difference between Burgundy and Cordovan?
    What would AE's Merlot be?



    Burgundy refers to the color burgundy on the shoes.

    Cordovan usually refers to shell cordovan, the leather from horse hide not calfskin.
    But cordovan is also used to refer to the color of cordovan, usually in a rich burgundy-like hue.

    AE merlot basically means the burgundy color.

    every make has their 'special' name for certain colors when they all really mean the same thing. usually for marketing.

    I've heard: jet black, lightning black?, deep black, etc. but they all look exactly the same: black.
     


  10. jmatt

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    Here's my feeble attempt. Keep in mind, I wear these shoes. Most recently ,today. The pictures are from my attempt to master the mirror shine (applied to the front half of the nearer shoe). Of course, compared to the G&G offering, I may as well use these for trail hiking.
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  11. sho'nuff

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    what are you talking about? those are very richly antiqued. do not wear those for hiking, please.
     


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    Bordeaux and Bourgogne (burgundy in English) are two different wine-making regions in France. Bordeaux wines are known for being dark and powerful, sometimes almost black. Burgundies, by reputation, are less dark, both because of the characteristics of the region and the fact that, by law, all burgundies are made strictly from pinot noir grapes. (therefore, AE's merlot cannot be the same as burgundy [​IMG] )

    Both are dark red shoes. There is no rule for which particular shade gets called which particular color, and as one poster already noted, they can be used interchangeably by some. Even though, oenologically, this is clearly incorrect. Strictly, and oenologically, speaking, a bordeaux shoe should be darker than a burgundy, but one should not expect consistency here.

    Nevertheless, it is wrong to suggest that it is a difference between languages. Burgundy in French is Bourgogne, as noted, not Bordeaux.

    The use of wine regions or varietals to describe shoes is by its nature an act of poetic license, so undue literalism on this question is, as the French would say, outrÃ[​IMG].
     


  13. gdl203

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    grimslade - I'm French, I know the difference between Bourgogne and Bordeaux wines... I was refering to colors, not wines. The English translation for the word "bordeaux" (used as a color) is generally "burgundy", sometimes "maroon". "bordeaux" is usually not used to define a color in English - "bourgogne" is never ever used to define a color in French
     


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    I always thought that Burgundy as well as Bordeaux are both located in France therefore they would be both French words. Why do you keep calling "burgundy and bordeaux is the same thing in two different languages"?????
    See my post above. Burgundy is not a French word
     


  15. Kasper

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    I like shoes in a darker tone of burgundy but personally don't think they are suitable for wear at work.
     


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