Brown Shoes with Gray suit?

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  1. marc237

    marc237 Senior member

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    (marc237 @ 21 Dec. 2004, 5:33) I routinely wear brown shoes to court - federal and state- throughout the country. Â While the vast majority of lawyers I have seen wear only black shoes to court, a few wear very, very nice brown with blue or grey suits. Â I remember in Denver a senior partner type in a magnificent gray pinstripe with a light shade of brown broques. Â Worked very well.
    Imho brogues shouldn't be worn under a suit. Doesn't matter what colour they are.
    I am not sure that this view is univerally held. For example, from Flusser's Clothes and the Man: "The Cap-Toe Brogue The cap-toe, either plain or with a medallion decoration, is the most dressy business shoe one can wear, and for years this shoe has been the staple of the businessman's wardrobe. This lace-up shoe comes in black and various shades of brown. It is to be worn only with business suits of worsteds or flannels. In Boston it is considered perfectly proper to wear a highly polished brown version of this shoe with a navy suit, whereas in London it would be construed to be in poor taste to wear this combination. The Wing-Tip Shoe The traditional wing-tip or brogue shoe is a fine alternative to either the plain or the medallion cap-toe. It should be worn only in black, brown, or cordovan, and because of its heavy broguing, its wear can be expanded to include suits made with more textured fabrics, such as tweeds, cheviots, and flannels."
     


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    (Roy @ 21 Dec. 2004, 2:22)
    I routinely wear brown shoes to court - federal and state- throughout the country. Â While the vast majority of lawyers I have seen wear only black shoes to court, a few wear very, very nice brown with blue or grey suits. Â I remember in Denver a senior partner type in a magnificent gray pinstripe with a light shade of brown broques. Â Worked very well.
    Imho brogues shouldn't be worn under a suit. Doesn't matter what colour they are.
    I am not sure that this view is univerally held. Â For example, from Flusser's Clothes and the Man: "The Cap-Toe Brogue The cap-toe, either plain or with a medallion decoration, is the most dressy business shoe one can wear, and for years this shoe has been the staple of the businessman's wardrobe. This lace-up shoe comes in black and various shades of brown. It is to be worn only with business suits of worsteds or flannels. In Boston it is considered perfectly proper to wear a highly polished brown version of this shoe with a navy suit, whereas in London it would be construed to be in poor taste to wear this combination. The Wing-Tip Shoe The traditional wing-tip or brogue shoe is a fine alternative to either the plain or the medallion cap-toe. It should be worn only in black, brown, or cordovan, and because of its heavy broguing, its wear can be expanded to include suits made with more textured fabrics, such as tweeds, cheviots, and flannels."
    I think I can speak for a large portion of Europeans if I say that in general we consider brogues to be to casual for under a suit.
     


  3. johnnynorman3

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    But that is the brilliance of it. It lends an air of casualness without sacrificing any of the dressy aspects of the last.
     


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    That is fascinating. Many Americans would, incorrectly I think, consider brown to be too casual a color for any suit, but brown. I am inclined to think that the brogue is far preferable to the kilty or tassel loafer, which many Americans find appropriate with a suit.

    In any event, I think a good wing-tip or brogued cap-toe is fine and adds a bit of visual interest.
     


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    (Roy @ 21 Dec. 2004, 5:18) I think I can speak for a large portion of Europeans if I say that in general we consider brogues to be to casual for under a suit.
    That is fascinating. Â Many Americans would, incorrectly I think, consider brown to be too casual a color for any suit, but brown. Â I am inclined to think that the brogue is far preferable to the kilty or tassel loafer, which many Americans find appropriate with a suit. In any event, I think a good wing-tip or brogued cap-toe is fine and adds a bit of visual interest.
    In London the only correct shoe to wear (so I've heard) under a suit is a black plain oxford. The Italians prefer brown in all varieties. But probably not as brogues. It's a casual shoe. In Holland it's especially popular with fratertinity type students. I honestly can say that I have never seen anyone wearing loafers under their suit overhere. I'm not partial to brogues, although I saw a beautiful pair by Santoni.
     


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    1. I don't wear brown shoes, even though some of the most attractive shoes are brown, in my opinion. I myself am a little uncomfortable wearing brown shoes with a gray or blue suit.

    2. Italians do it, and it looks great. (as do a lot of other people).

    3. it can attract attention to your feet - you may notice that dancers often wear shoes lighter than their suits to bring attention to their feet. Richard Gere in Chicago wore brown shoes when dancing, I believe for that reason. if, for what ever reason, you don't want to attract attention to our feet, or break your vertical line, then you might want to keep this in mind.

    4. a secondary tradition is not to wear shoes lighter than your suit. so they should be very dark brown.
     


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    So if your wearing pair of brown shoes, brown belt as well?
     


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    I believe a belt and shoes should always match [​IMG]
     


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    (dietcookie @ 22 Dec. 2004, 01:10) So if your wearing pair of brown shoes, brown belt as well?
    I believe a belt and shoes should always match [​IMG]
    Well, on this the European and American whole-heartedly agree. :)
     


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    Only with a brown belt.
     


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    You know, this has me thinking.  I have an interview next week and I was thinking of wearing brown shoes with a navy suit.  Should I wear black shoes instead just to be on the safe side?
     


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    I'm Mr. Conservative...for years I refused to wear brown shoes with navy but now I think brown is fine with navy and gray suits. As others have said, it's an elegant and sophisticated look.
     


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    I would advise it just to be on the ultra-conservative side.  That's just about the only time my black captoes see any wear.

    dan
     


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    It not only can be done, it SHOULD be done. Brown shoes look great with gray or navy suits -- especially now that suits are being worn more casually (with open collar/no tie).
     


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    (Roy @ 21 Dec. 2004, 7:13)
    So if your wearing pair of brown shoes, brown belt as well?
    I believe a belt and shoes should always match [​IMG]
    Well, on this the European and American whole-heartedly agree. Â :)
    I couldnt be happier. This is the first step to world peace [​IMG]
     


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