Allright, these were on sale when the forum went belly up and I don't have the interested party's ID, I am putting these back up for sale. There was a whiole thread on Loding, decent quality shoes, great value for goodyear-welted footwear. Will get the pics up later on today. I had gone through some extensive work to give these an interesting patina and antiquing. I also "installed" a tongue pad and a heel counter to make these more comfortable. Anyway, I ended up getting some a size smaller for myself as it seems they size a bit on the large size (I wear 10.5 to - sometimes - 11 US). Thinking US 150 for these - It would run approximately US 230 I think to get these directly from France in the vanilla (and rather boring IMHO) condition.