To be honest, that never really entered my mind. There must be a few decent ones here in SoCal, if the BB doesn't work then I might just look around. Then again, I am just not too thrilled about spending more than $100 for a shirt. if you're in socal, you can get shirts made by freddy vandecasteele up in studio city. he's my last resort, if i can't find anything in the last few decent shops in town. 14'' neck is no fun.