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Brioni Suit -- Real or Fake? Help Please!

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by JSingh, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. jefferyd

    jefferyd Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Grab the front near the bottom- peel the facing (the cloth on the inside) away from the front and see if you can feel a third layer between the two.
     
  2. MikeDT

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    Oh it is in China, the usual thing, seen and marketed here as an expensive Italian lux brand. I've seen knock-off Brioni bags and things, but not tailored garments.

    Also the Brioni brand seems to be famous enough to be used for decoration on t-shirts and casual tops...
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    ...pretty much the same for Zegna, Armani, Prada, etc.

    I suspect the Brioni brand name is actually rather famous these days, because of all their James Bond suit sponsoring and product placements.
     
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  3. Superfluous

    Superfluous Senior member

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    I had/have 4 brioni sport coats, 3 of which are/were for sale. They had both 52IT and 42 US written on them...

    http://www.styleforum.net/t/256698/nwt-brioni-beige-houndstooth-sport-coat-42-44us-price-drop/0_30
     
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  4. Klobber

    Klobber Senior member

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    + 1, I will add the canvas should feel like it is free / floating. It is an easy test.


    Shit, go figure. Who wudda thunk it!
     
  5. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

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    Indeed.

    BTW I've yet to see Canali or Kiton getting their brands abused in the same way. Probably happen though sooner or later.
     
  6. NORE

    NORE Senior member

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    I was gonna ask you to do this on your other thread but really this was the simplest way to explain how to check for canvas. Full or half (for half just go higher). Amirite?
     
  7. Klobber

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    Would be curious for more expert opinion on the half canvas test :lurk:


    How about Hermes? I suspect Louis Vuitton is heavily counterfeited, but not sure about Hermes - I could imagine many H belts get ripped off.
     
  8. MikeDT

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    Yeh I'm sure that LV is the darling of the counterfeiters. Hermes is popular as well, pretty much everything. Although where I am, it seems to be that Burberry comes in for the most abuse...
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    ...as seen in local stores.

    The tag on a pair of 40 yuan(RMB) shorts I bought last summer...
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    EDIT:

    BTW there is quite an easy way to see the sort of brands and products that are getting knocked-off in China. Go to Taobao.com and search the name of the desired brand. The site is in Chinese of course, but one will get the idea.
     
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  9. Superfluous

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    Another easy way to tell that isn't 100% accurate in case of very thin fusing, but most likely accurate: grab just the material on the "lower quarters" below the button and then compare it to the material in the sleeves. The thickness should be identical if it's not fused. If it's canvassed, you at least know you have somewhat of a good quality jacket, whether it's Brioni or not.
     
  10. jefferyd

    jefferyd Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    lol. CSI Napoli.
    It's troubling but inconclusive. Only the U.S. requires country of origin labeling at the neck and since this was not made for the U.S. market (according to the seller) it does not need to have it. "Made in Italy" does carry some cachet, however, so it is very unlikely that Brioni would omit it for the rest of its production.
     
  11. JSingh

    JSingh Active Member

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    I examined this suit closely last night and noticed the following additional things for your consideration: 1) there is canvas all the way down to the jacket waist hem on both the left and right jacket front sides, but the back side going down to the middle vent piece does not have any canvas that I could feel; 2) the exterior jacket chest pocket and both exterior waist pockets were stitched shut and I opened one of the waist pockets and it is functioning; 3) the lining does not feel like acetate to me, but it is different than the lining on all my other Brioni suits; 4) you will notice that the jacket waist pockets are slanted and this is different than any of my Brionis; 5) there is what looks like to me to be some pick stitching on the exterior pockets and on the trousers, but not on the lapels; and 6) lapels appear to me be to rolled.

    In addition, I took additional detailed photographs of this suit last night. I hope you knowledgeable folks can give me your final verdict on whether this suit is an authentic Brioni or a fake. These photographs will be coming in the next few messages from me. Thanks for your time and input.

    Jacket Interior Brioni Label

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    Size label in interior jacket chest pocket (by the way I saw the same label in same location on an authentic Brioni). Someone, however, could have just sewn in authentic label.

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  12. JSingh

    JSingh Active Member

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    [​IMG][​IMG]J[​IMG]

    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]TWO BUTTON HOLES ON JACKET AND ONE ON LAPEL [​IMG]
     
  13. JSingh

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    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
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    JACKET BEHIND COLLAR, LAPEL, INSIDE LINING AT HEM, AND SLEEVE CUFF
     
  14. JSingh

    JSingh Active Member

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    Here are the trousers. The end of the pant leg has a material strip sewn in that I have never seen on any pants as photographed here. Also there is a black piece of material on the interior placed behind the back pockets on both sides. Crotch has fabric piece sewn in.
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  15. JSingh

    JSingh Active Member

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    Here are more of the trousers:

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  16. JSingh

    JSingh Active Member

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    Finally, here is that blue rectangular label that I mentioned that is on the interior of the collar. Thanks again for your input. Is this suit a real Brioni or is it a fake?


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  17. JSingh

    JSingh Active Member

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    I sent the photos but it said I need to wait for moderator approval.
     
  18. b1os

    b1os Senior member

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    Then simply post the links.
     
  19. jefferyd

    jefferyd Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Jsingh emailed me the photos and I've selected a few which show that this is absolutely fake.

    This is a machine-made buttonhole. And a badly made one at that. Brioni makes splendid buttonholes BY HAND

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    This undercollar was applied by machine, using the bottom of the barrel in terms of technique. The square corner and the zig-zag stitching are the giveaways. Brioni would have a rounded edge, the felt would lap at least 1/4" lower than the gorge seam, and it would be sewn on by hand (or at worst with an AMF machine)

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    The belt loops have been made on a double needle machine, and the waistband has been channel stitched to fell it, rather than using a blindstitch. Again, bottom of the construction barrel.

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    This suit is worth $150 at retail, brand new. Send it back to the seller. That he told you some story about its provenance suggests he knows what he's selling is fake.

    Sorry.
     
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  20. Superfluous

    Superfluous Senior member

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    and leave him bad feedback... and don't just write "it's a fake" because he can reply to your comment and say it's not.
     

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