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Brioni Suit -- Real or Fake? Help Please!

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by JSingh, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. sprout

    sprout Senior member

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    jefferyd is so cool. I would love to see some kind of CSI: Textiles television show in which he investigates the authenticity of garments and gets dispatched to sartorial crime scenes to do forensics. His blog is kind of like that, but motion pictures would be better.
     
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    He's already done that, newb :rolleyes:
     
  3. JSingh

    JSingh Active Member

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    I will for sure circulate more photos of this suit as requested. I very much appreciate all the comments. Even the CSI one -- funny!

    eHaberdasher, what about: 1) the sewing/stitching on the label being off (as commented by others above); and 2) the inside collar label being solid blue rectangular tag instead of saying "Made in Italy" on a white/off white rectangular tag?
     
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    I have purchased Brioni suits for years, and have never seen that label.

    That said, this suit is not a fashion name brand that is very appealing to counterfeit - so I would say 50/50 authentic or not. Feel the fabric, check for canvassing, if it is all there, it is less likely to be a knock off. After all, if a counterfeiter is going to knock something off, they would do so on the cheap and thus more expensive suit building techniques are not likely to be employed.

    If canvassed and fabric nice = possibly authentic. Further details like handworked button holes and hand stiching = further validatition of its authenticity.

    Non canvassed = gauranteed knock off regardless of pick stiching etc.

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    EDIT: Most people have never heard of Brioni, so counterfeiting this product is unlikely to be as appealing to a fraudster as counterfeiting a Prada or Gucci item. You have to watch out for those on places like eBay. Not saying it is not possible for someone to take the tag off a tired old Brioni suit and sew it onto a newer non-Brioni suit to make a quick buck - but I would say circumstances like this are rarer than good old fashioned counterfeiting.
     
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    JSingh Active Member

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    What's the best way to feel the fabric to see if the suit is canvassed or not? If I am not mistaken, Brioni suits are fully canvassed?
     
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    jefferyd Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Grab the front near the bottom- peel the facing (the cloth on the inside) away from the front and see if you can feel a third layer between the two.
     
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    Oh it is in China, the usual thing, seen and marketed here as an expensive Italian lux brand. I've seen knock-off Brioni bags and things, but not tailored garments.

    Also the Brioni brand seems to be famous enough to be used for decoration on t-shirts and casual tops...
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    ...pretty much the same for Zegna, Armani, Prada, etc.

    I suspect the Brioni brand name is actually rather famous these days, because of all their James Bond suit sponsoring and product placements.
     
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    I had/have 4 brioni sport coats, 3 of which are/were for sale. They had both 52IT and 42 US written on them...

    http://www.styleforum.net/t/256698/nwt-brioni-beige-houndstooth-sport-coat-42-44us-price-drop/0_30
     
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    + 1, I will add the canvas should feel like it is free / floating. It is an easy test.


    Shit, go figure. Who wudda thunk it!
     
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    Indeed.

    BTW I've yet to see Canali or Kiton getting their brands abused in the same way. Probably happen though sooner or later.
     
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    I was gonna ask you to do this on your other thread but really this was the simplest way to explain how to check for canvas. Full or half (for half just go higher). Amirite?
     
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    Would be curious for more expert opinion on the half canvas test :lurk:


    How about Hermes? I suspect Louis Vuitton is heavily counterfeited, but not sure about Hermes - I could imagine many H belts get ripped off.
     
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    Yeh I'm sure that LV is the darling of the counterfeiters. Hermes is popular as well, pretty much everything. Although where I am, it seems to be that Burberry comes in for the most abuse...
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    ...as seen in local stores.

    The tag on a pair of 40 yuan(RMB) shorts I bought last summer...
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    BTW there is quite an easy way to see the sort of brands and products that are getting knocked-off in China. Go to Taobao.com and search the name of the desired brand. The site is in Chinese of course, but one will get the idea.
     
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    Another easy way to tell that isn't 100% accurate in case of very thin fusing, but most likely accurate: grab just the material on the "lower quarters" below the button and then compare it to the material in the sleeves. The thickness should be identical if it's not fused. If it's canvassed, you at least know you have somewhat of a good quality jacket, whether it's Brioni or not.
     
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    lol. CSI Napoli.
    It's troubling but inconclusive. Only the U.S. requires country of origin labeling at the neck and since this was not made for the U.S. market (according to the seller) it does not need to have it. "Made in Italy" does carry some cachet, however, so it is very unlikely that Brioni would omit it for the rest of its production.
     

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