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Bowtie Tying

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Lafont, Oct 23, 2007.

  1. Lafont

    Lafont Senior member

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    Okay, I might actually wear my self-tie silk bowtie to my daughter's wedding. I've got loads of illustrations and a video to go by but I can't find the answer to this:
    When the bowtie is tied correctly, please describe each section of the bow - left and right. Is each a loop with a single piece behind each loop? Are one or both halfs the single piece in front and a loop behind? Two loops for each half?
    I like to think of it like tying a pari of shoes but one difference is that with the tie the two ends are of different lengths at the start. Thanks!
     
  2. Minkous

    Minkous Senior member

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    With my experiences on one side the loop will be infront of the single strand and on the opposite side you will have the loop behind the single strand. I personally feel that the imperfections of hand tied bow tie knots adds to the old fashion appeal of real bow ties as compared to clip-ons. So dont fret if the knot isnt perfect it only adds to the charm
     
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    ^ What he said.
     
  4. Master Shake

    Master Shake Senior member

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    With my experiences on one side the loop will be infront of the single strand and on the opposite side you will have the loop behind the single strand. I personally feel that the imperfections of hand tied bow tie knots adds to the old fashion appeal of real bow ties as compared to clip-ons. So dont fret if the knot isnt perfect it only adds to the charm

    Yes, one side will have the looped side in front, one side will have it in the back.
     
  5. Lafont

    Lafont Senior member

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    Hi. I've done that, only one loop on one side and a loop and single piece on the other, and two loops on one side. My ready-tied bowtie has two loops on one side and a loop and single piece on the other side ()sort of two pieces sewed together. Looks very "self-tied and from a very good tailor/shirtmaker.
    Keep 'em coming, please.
    If I wear a size 15 shirt should the jigger on the tie be in the 15" position? Larger? I don't know if this is standard but it's sort of a prong that fits into a notch.
     
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    One loop and one end on each side. On one side, the loop is in front. On the other side the loop is in back and the end is in front. There is no other way. Your "pre-tied" tie is not tied at all, so it does not serve as a guide. Five people have now told you the same thing. This is not hard.

    Adjust the tie 1/4" - 1/2" larger than your neck size. The additional length will make it easier to tie. The important thing is to have the thick and thin bits in approximately the right places. Pull the initial knot tight against your top button or stud, as unlike a necktie, you can't easily adjust this parameter later.
     
  7. Will

    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think I already posted this but there is an excellent video at cravateroyale.com that's better than any diagram I've ever seen.
     
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    flylot74 Senior member

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    Oh, this is the best video I've seen on the subject. Well done! Thank you for the link.
     
  10. Minkous

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    [​IMG] Found this one might help also! This old nerd taught me!
     
  11. Max Inseam

    Max Inseam Well-Known Member

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    It's just like tying your shoes. Once you get you mind around that, your fingers will know what to do.
     
  12. Sartorian

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    My history teacher in high school had me practice on my thighs. That worked quite well for getting it down and figuring out the technique. It is just like doing the shoe, but a different (and therefore confusing) perspective.
     
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    Thanks for the links. In spite of the dozen of books I have illustrating this, I never could get it right. The video is defnitely invaluable.

    Another question, could a black satin bow tie be used in conjunction with a pure white straight point collar white shirt and a dark navy suit?

    My tailor says it should strictly be a pleated wing collar shirt and tuxedo. He clearly knows I own no tuxedo. Is he out to make a sale?
     
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    could a black satin bow tie be used in conjunction with a pure white straight point collar white shirt and a dark navy suit? .
    Black satin or grosgrain ties are best left for semi-formal wear. BTW, I hope you not trying to pass off a lounge suit as a dinner jacket.[​IMG]

    My tailor says it should strictly be a pleated wing collar shirt and tuxedo.
    A formal shirt with a turn down collar is perfectly acceptable, in fact I never wear a wing collar with semi-formal, though I'd wear one with a formal rig if I ever had use for one.
     
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    dirk diggler Senior member

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    the cravate royal video is ok, but the problem is he has the short end too short. It should be only about 1-1.5 inches. the end result will be a more even looking tie rather than more bow showing up front.
     
  16. Qasimkhan

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    First start by tying the bowtie around your thigh. Close your eyes, grasp it just like you would shoe strings and tie a bow. The men's store in Austin, Tex., showed me this trick when I bought my bow tie. It helps you see how the bow is formed and how easy it it really is.

    Then practice tying it around your neck while not wearing a shirt. The collar gets in the way if you wear a shirt.

    Once you have this down, then tie it while wearing a shirt.

    When you actually wear it to the event, be sure to leave 15-20 minutes of extra time to tie the bowtie because I guarantee you won't be able to tie it if you are in a hurry.

    Don't worry about getting it perfect. Small imperfections show that it is self-tied and not a pre-tied bow tie.

    Steve
     
  17. Thomas

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    You'll want to experiment with adjusting your tie length, as mine tend to run around 1/2" long. That is, mine are set to 14-1/2" for my 15" shirt. If I leave it at 15" it gets floppy.

    And, self-tie isn't that complicated. I picked it up in a short time, later taught it to our foreign exchange student in 15 minutes. It's just that no one really does it much anymore, and most who know how seldom have occasion to practice. Do get lots of practice and give yourself plenty of time beforehand.

    As for the formal wear, I keep my black tie for black tie. If I'm not wearing a dinner jacket, I tilt away from conservative with the bow tie to avoid confusion. Buckle & Tailor makes good ties with personality. If you must go conservative, a bold stripe on a dark background is a good bet.
     
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    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Another question, could a black satin bow tie be used in conjunction with a pure white straight point collar white shirt and a dark navy suit?


    Hardy Amies, arguably the first the men's clothing designer, wrote that he used to attend black tie events around the world wearing a blue suit, white shirt and black bow tie rather than carry evening clothes in his luggage.
     

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