Borrelli suit - Hard 3 or 3 roll 2??

[alexim]

Hi Styleforum - help requested!

So I just bought a beautiful grey Borrelli suit from Yoox - heavily discounted from over £1000 to £350.

Link here: https://imgur.com/gallery/9Qmg5

I personally prefer two button suits, but I also like three buttons *when* you can roll down the lapel and only button the middle button. I do NOT like hard 3 button suits, as to me personally they look like they're stuck in 1998.

My question is: do you think this Borrelli suit is a 3 roll 2, with a lapel that can naturally be buttoned on the middle button only? Or, have I bought a true 3 button suit, in which case it's going back to the shop.

Would very much appreciated the guidance of this expert community.

 

[ThomGault]

The lapel in the picture ends at the top button, so its not 3-2. And DANG, look how high the second button is anyway. Looks horrible. The bottom button is where the middle button should be.

 

[alexim]

The lapel in the picture ends at the top button, so its not 3-2. And DANG, look how high the second button is anyway. Looks horrible. The bottom button is where the middle button should be.

OK - but doesn't any 3 button suit look like the lapel finishes on the top button if the top button is done up?

 

[ThomGault]

The top of the lapel looks too flat to be mis-adjusted. If it were a mis-buttoned 3:2, there would be more of a gap under the lapel near the top where the fabric was attempting to return to its designed position.
However, that's all moot for this suit...the button stance is hideous. It looks like the manufacturer mis-cut the buttons and dumped the flawed suits on yoox to offload at a discount.

 

[alexim]

The top of the lapel looks too flat to be mis-adjusted. If it were a mis-buttoned 3:2, there would be more of a gap under the lapel near the top where the fabric was attempting to return to its designed position.
However, that's all moot for this suit...the button stance is hideous. It looks like the manufacturer mis-cut the buttons and dumped the flawed suits on yoox to offload at a discount.

Yeah OK thanks. Seems like a bad decision but can easily reverse it. However, I still don't understand your point about "mis adjusted" buttoning. All suits on Yoox are buttoned up to the top in the photos. Therefore even suits that are designed to be rolled down will be buttoned up to the top. What still confuses me is how to tell the difference between a hard three button suit and a 3 roll 2 suit IF all the buttons are done up. Also - "hideous" is quite a tough word. Doesn't look to bad to me, and not too different from other three button Borrelli suits on shop the finest.

 

[Stugotes]

As you stated yourself, all jackets on Yoox are buttoned up in the pictures. I'm pretty sure this one will look like a 3r2 or even a hard 2 after all.

Perhaps the best example are Boglioli jackets. They look like hard 3s on Yoox, but I know they look more like 2s when you actually wear them.

Just try it on when it's shipped to you and send it back in case you don't like it.

 

[alexim]

As you stated yourself, all jackets on Yoox are buttoned up in the pictures. I'm pretty sure this one will look like a 3r2 or even a hard 2 after all.

Perhaps the best example are Boglioli jackets. They look like hard 3s on Yoox, but I know they look more like 2s when you actually wear them.

Just try it on when it's shipped to you and send it back in case you don't like it.

Thanks! That's a bit more encouraging.

 

[ThomGault]

Yeah OK thanks. Seems like a bad decision but can easily reverse it. However, I still don't understand your point about "mis adjusted" buttoning. All suits on Yoox are buttoned up to the top in the photos. Therefore even suits that are designed to be rolled down will be buttoned up to the top. What still confuses me is how to tell the difference between a hard three button suit and a 3 roll 2 suit IF all the buttons are done up. Also - "hideous" is quite a tough word. Doesn't look to bad to me, and not too different from other three button Borrelli suits on shop the finest.

Its possible that I'm misinterpreting the picture of how the lapel lays, you'll just have to see it in person to be sure.
But "hideous" is the proper term for a jacket that has its functioning button over the mid-way point of the height. The functioning button should be at your waist, not almost at your chest. High button stances make the wearer look poorly proportioned and short-torso'ed, and accentuates any flabbiness in the stomach.