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[Pascal1980]

Hello bootenthusiasts,

I have a question I like to have your satorial advice for it:

- What do you think about a MTO balmoral boot in burgundy vegano leather with a small medalion on the toes and a nvy suede shaft?

It would be like this MTO balmoral from C&J, but with navy suede instead of tweed:

Crockett & Jones MTO Boots!

A blog reader sent me a pair of his newly acquired Crockett & Jones MTO balmoral boots and I must say that I was thoroughly impressed as it reminded me of something that I would

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Carmina offers at the moment their suede MTO without a fee, but the shaft would be polo suede with burgundy museum calf, which also looks great:

BALMORAL BOOTS 80450 RAIN (INKL. SCHUHSPANNER)

BALMORAL STIEFEL IN BURGUNDERFARBENEM MUSEUM / POLO WILDLEDER(INKL. SCHUHSPANNER) ...

www.carminashoemaker.com

Here a picture of it at ebay:

New Handmade Men’s Brown Cowhide Leather Cap Toe Lace Up Balmoral Boots | eBay

Bespoke Custom-Made Leather Shoes, Oxford Style, Monk Style, Chukka Boots, Jodhpurs Style, Suede Leather Shoes, High Ankle Boots, Wing Tip, Cap Toe, Plain Toe, Dress & Formal Shoes, Long Shoes & Boots.

www.ebay.com

Ans also TLB Mallorca offers their nice Artista 181 balmoral boot in museum burgundy calf, which can be made as an MTO boot also with polo suede or navy suede for the same price as the Carmina MTO offer at the moment:

TLB Mallorca | Men's Boots made of leather | Men's Shoes Artista Collection | model Picasso Museum Calf Burgundy 181

TLB Mallorca offers a wide collection of men's shoes made in leather. Discover the Artista boots model Picasso Museum Calf Burgundy 181

www.tlbmallorca.com

Here as an MTO option in burgundy vegano leather and navy suede:

TLB Mallorca | Men's leather shoes | Custom Shoes Collection | Made to order model 181

TLB Mallorca offers a wide collection of custom men's shoes, in leather. Discover the personalized Artista shoes model 181

www.tlbmallorca.com

Does anyone of you have a balmoral boot in burgundy, ideally with navy suede?

I already have the C&J "Charlton" balmoral boot in blak calf & brown suede (Paris Edition) and pick-up the regular one in chestnut-calf and dark brown suede.

I just like the really dressy boots, like chelsea boots, balmoral boots and dressy derby boots.

Best regards

Pascal

 

[DorianGreen]

Hello bootenthusiasts,

I have a question I like to have your satorial advice for it:

- What do you think about a MTO balmoral boot in burgundy vegano leather with a small medalion on the toes and a nvy suede shaft?

It would be like this MTO balmoral from C&J, but with navy suede instead of tweed:

Crockett & Jones MTO Boots!

A blog reader sent me a pair of his newly acquired Crockett & Jones MTO balmoral boots and I must say that I was thoroughly impressed as it reminded me of something that I would

theshoesnobblog.com

Carmina offers at the moment their suede MTO without a fee, but the shaft would be polo suede with burgundy museum calf, which also looks great:

BALMORAL BOOTS 80450 RAIN (INKL. SCHUHSPANNER)

BALMORAL STIEFEL IN BURGUNDERFARBENEM MUSEUM / POLO WILDLEDER(INKL. SCHUHSPANNER) ...

www.carminashoemaker.com

Here a picture of it at ebay:

New Handmade Men’s Brown Cowhide Leather Cap Toe Lace Up Balmoral Boots | eBay

Bespoke Custom-Made Leather Shoes, Oxford Style, Monk Style, Chukka Boots, Jodhpurs Style, Suede Leather Shoes, High Ankle Boots, Wing Tip, Cap Toe, Plain Toe, Dress & Formal Shoes, Long Shoes & Boots.

www.ebay.com

Ans also TLB Mallorca offers their nice Artista 181 balmoral boot in museum burgundy calf, which can be made as an MTO boot also with polo suede or navy suede for the same price as the Carmina MTO offer at the moment:

TLB Mallorca | Men's Boots made of leather | Men's Shoes Artista Collection | model Picasso Museum Calf Burgundy 181

TLB Mallorca offers a wide collection of men's shoes made in leather. Discover the Artista boots model Picasso Museum Calf Burgundy 181

www.tlbmallorca.com

Here as an MTO option in burgundy vegano leather and navy suede:

TLB Mallorca | Men's leather shoes | Custom Shoes Collection | Made to order model 181

TLB Mallorca offers a wide collection of custom men's shoes, in leather. Discover the personalized Artista shoes model 181

www.tlbmallorca.com

Does anyone of you have a balmoral boot in burgundy, ideally with navy suede?

I already have the C&J "Charlton" balmoral boot in blak calf & brown suede (Paris Edition) and pick-up the regular one in chestnut-calf and dark brown suede.

I just like the really dressy boots, like chelsea boots, balmoral boots and dressy derby boots.

Best regards

Pascal

The ones from Crockett & Jones look great, do you know the name?

I also like somehow the TLB boots, but think that a balmoral looks better with a straight cap or a plain toe instead of a wing cap.

Edit:
The C&J model should be a variation on the Somerville.

Responding to your question, I would prefer tone in tone, or burgundy with black instead of navy.

 

[Pascal1980]

The ones from Crockett & Jones look great, do you know the name?

I also like somehow the TLB boots, but think that a balmoral looks better with a straight cap or a plain toe instead of a wing cap.

Edit:
The C&J model should be a variation on the Somerville.

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Responding to your question, I would prefer tone in tone, or burgundy with black instead of navy.

Hello DorianGreen,

the shown C&J balmoral boot in burgundy with tweed is a private MTO boot.

Hence you would suggest a tone-in-tone burgundy balmoral boot, or with a black suede shaft. Also a plain toe or cap toe. Thanks, because only TLB Mallorca has this plan toe or cap toe as an MTO variation of their main-line "Orson II" without a medallion, but with a cap toe.

The Sommervile boot is the following old model from 2011/2012, is it?

Crockett and Jones - Balmoral Boot - Somerville

Crockett and Jones of Northampton (England) has produced another Balmoral boot named the Somerville, a Hand Grade boot on the 363 last (mo...

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Shoes Of The Week - Crockett & Jones Boot

It's funny because the last time I was in Spain, working out my prototypes, I was thinking of the different combinations of colors/materials to use on my balmoral boots and a medium brown paired with

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Best regards

Pascal

 

[DorianGreen]

Hello DorianGreen,

the shown C&J balmoral boot in burgundy with tweed is a private MTO boot.

Hence you would suggest a tone-in-tone burgundy balmoral boot, or with a black suede shaft. Also a plain toe or cap toe. Thanks, because only TLB Mallorca has this plan toe or cap toe as an MTO variation of their main-line "Orson II" without a medallion, but with a cap toe.

The Sommervile boot is the following old model from 2011/2012, is it?

Crockett and Jones - Balmoral Boot - Somerville

Crockett and Jones of Northampton (England) has produced another Balmoral boot named the Somerville, a Hand Grade boot on the 363 last (mo...

the-shoe-aristocat.blogspot.com

Shoes Of The Week - Crockett & Jones Boot

It's funny because the last time I was in Spain, working out my prototypes, I was thinking of the different combinations of colors/materials to use on my balmoral boots and a medium brown paired with

theshoesnobblog.com

Best regards

Pascal

Yes, that C&J MTO boot is a particular variation on the Somerville model. I would go for it in the original pattern with straight toe cap. If TLB also offers this option, you could choose it instead (probably saving some money). Can't say anything about a quality comparison though, because I have no shoes from TLB.

 

[Pascal1980]

Thanks DorianGreen,

The MTO options from TLB Mallorca cost 525€ for main-line boots and 575€ for Artista-line boots, all in. This is 200€ cheaper than Carmina, that now charges 735€ for am MTO boot, and roughly 500€ cheaper than C&J that charges 890 GBP / ~1050€ and more for its MTO options.

The quality of Carmin, which was a burgundy adelaide oxford, did not convince me as the welt stitching was broken at the tip of the show. TLB Mallorca was better, even though the welt alignment at the heel, where the welt is connected together, was not as needly done as I am used to from C&J.

C&J is qualitativly superior in the craftsmanship, finishing and the leather quality, even in the benchgrade shoes.

However, 525-575 versus >=1050€ is a difference for am MTO boot.

I am ordering the TLB Mallorca balmoral in UK 7 to see how it fits. The burgundy Artista oxford was beautiful, albeit to large in UK 7.5.

Best regards

Pascal

 

[Pascal1980]

Another question to you boot enthusiasts:

- Do you combine in the fall and winter in bad weather your suits with heavier and dressy boots, like the "Galway" or another Derby boot in polished calf, suede or cordovan?

The balmoral boots all have leather soles, which could get slippery when the pavement is wet or even snowy or icy.

I still use my rubber pullovers/galoschs from Swims over my shoes as security measure:

Galoschen - Orange

Schuhüberzieher mit hohem Komfort. Die modischen Galoschen von Swims. Schützen Schuhe vor schlechtem Wetter und polieren den Schuh beim Tragen.

www.shoepassion.de

Best regards

Pascal

 

[ppk]

Another question to you boot enthusiasts:

- Do you combine in the fall and winter in bad weather your suits with heavier and dressy boots, like the "Galway" or another Derby boot in polished calf, suede or cordovan?

The balmoral boots all have leather soles, which could get slippery when the pavement is wet or even snowy or icy.

I still use my rubber pullovers/galoschs from Swims over my shoes as security measure:

Galoschen - Orange

Schuhüberzieher mit hohem Komfort. Die modischen Galoschen von Swims. Schützen Schuhe vor schlechtem Wetter und polieren den Schuh beim Tragen.

www.shoepassion.de

Best regards

Pascal

You could also add a Topy rubber sole for some traction on wet surfaces.

Lovely choices, by the way.

 

[DorianGreen]

Another question to you boot enthusiasts:

- Do you combine in the fall and winter in bad weather your suits with heavier and dressy boots, like the "Galway" or another Derby boot in polished calf, suede or cordovan?

The balmoral boots all have leather soles, which could get slippery when the pavement is wet or even snowy or icy.

I still use my rubber pullovers/galoschs from Swims over my shoes as security measure:

Galoschen - Orange

Schuhüberzieher mit hohem Komfort. Die modischen Galoschen von Swims. Schützen Schuhe vor schlechtem Wetter und polieren den Schuh beim Tragen.

www.shoepassion.de

Best regards

Pascal

Heavy, studded rubber soles don't suit suits.
Wearing galoshes seems a good option, albeit not very practical. Alternatively you could have a Topy rubber layer added to your leather soles, as @ppk suggested.

 

[Pascal1980]

Thanks for your feedback, DorianGreen and ppk,

my cobbler refused to add rubber topies onto the outsole of my C&J handgrade balmoral boots. When he saw the shoes to add metal toe plates to them he smiled broadly and said he loves to work on C&J handgrade and Edward Green shoes because of the quality of the craftsmanship and leather. Adding rubber topies would be heresy, or something like that ;-).

I find the dainite or city rubber soles not that heavy actually, when looking onto my shoes from above. Virbam Ccleated soles are heavy, and I woud use such boots with those soles for hicking in the Taunus on the Feldberg even ;-). I already have a "dressy" vibram cleated chelsea boot in black calf with fur lining on a chiseled last from Shoepassion. I looks robust against snow and heavy rain when worn with a suit.

I am thinking of the C&J "Perth" as their version of the Edward Green "Galway" boot:

Perth Coffee Antique Calf & Dark Brown Willow Grain

Perth, a derby boot with a straight toe cap design. Made from the finest coffee antique calf leather with a dark brown willow grain leg for added interest and comfort. Featuring Dainite rubber soles. From the Hand Grade Collection.

eu.crockettandjones.com

I still aks my cobbler for topy rubber soles. I also take pictures from shoes with such topy rubber soles out of the internet.

Besides the idea of a balmoral boot in burgundy with a city rubber or senior sole from TLB Mallorca.

Best regards

Pascal

 

[lurker33]

The Vibram cleated soles are lighter than Dainite, they also require a rubber midsole for better bond, making them even lighter and comfortable.

 

[Pascal1980]

The Vibram cleated soles are lighter than Dainite, they also require a rubber midsole for better bond, making them even lighter and comfortable.

Hello lurker33,

you mean as a strudy boot for really bad weather, like snow and heavy rain, a vibram cleated sole is more "dressy" than a dainite rubber sole?

C&J offers in its online-shop only country shoes and boots with a vibram cleated sole.

Upper Shoes, an online- & offline-retailer in France with a nice shop and shop manager in Paris, offers the "Birmingham" galway-boot of C&J with a vibram cleated sole in cblack calf & grain leather and in burgundy calf / black suede. For boot heavy in the snow, but in burgundy certainly dressy and stylish:

BIRMINGHAM

EXCLUSIVITY - 20TH ANNIVERSARY UPPER SHOESThe Birmingham boots is the result of a strong partnership between Crockett & Jones and Upper Shoes teams, created to celebrate our Anniversary.This laced boots is a simulated straight toe-cap, Goodyear welted with storm welt, on a Vibram sole. Two...

www.upper-shoes.com

Instead of a third balmoral boot in burgundy that would be a bold option to be worn with a heavy suit, like flanell, in bad weather in autumn and winter.

Best regards

Pascal

 

[lurker33]

Hello lurker33,

you mean as a strudy boot for really bad weather, like snow and heavy rain, a vibram cleated sole is more "dressy" than a dainite rubber sole?

C&J offers in its online-shop only country shoes and boots with a vibram cleated sole.

Upper Shoes, an online- & offline-retailer in France with a nice shop and shop manager in Paris, offers the "Birmingham" galway-boot of C&J with a vibram cleated sole in cblack calf & grain leather and in burgundy calf / black suede. For boot heavy in the snow, but in burgundy certainly dressy and stylish:

BIRMINGHAM

EXCLUSIVITY - 20TH ANNIVERSARY UPPER SHOESThe Birmingham boots is the result of a strong partnership between Crockett & Jones and Upper Shoes teams, created to celebrate our Anniversary.This laced boots is a simulated straight toe-cap, Goodyear welted with storm welt, on a Vibram sole. Two...

www.upper-shoes.com

Instead of a third balmoral boot in burgundy that would be a bold option to be worn with a heavy suit, like flanell, in bad weather in autumn and winter.

Best regards

Pascal

I thought we are talking about weight.

 

[Pascal1980]

Hello lurker33,

the weight of a boot is certainly a comfort issue. The thickness on the one hand and the slip-resistance of an outsole on the other hand for a "dressy" boot are probably on opposing ends of the spectrum. Hence a middle-ground of a topy rubber protected leather sole, a city rubber sole, or dainite rubber sole are compromises for dress boots. The virbam cleated outsoles are the most robust ones for bad weather, but also the thickest and least dressy ones I would say.

Best regards

Pascal

 

[ha er]

hey pascal,
when there was last time ice and snow in frankfurt? in germany actually the climate is that of northern italy thanks to the global warming...
for rubber soles: vibram is a bit heavy for the city, dainite studded is not showing but a bit hard wearing, I like the city sole of c&j /harborough very much. very comfortable, adds no rustic note to the boot and provides a good grip.
c&j did a thin crepe sole for some modells, ealing and dover I own in this configuration. but i think they don't do it any longer.

 

[Pascal1980]

True ha er,

not that much ice and snow. Rain we have, and then the pavement gets slippery. With leather soles I do not have a problem in rain, only if the modern surface coatings on pavement become very slippery, even for some rubber soles.

I tried the city rubber sole of C&J, and liked it.

A shoe with a crepe sole I do not own, as all my shoes are "dress" shoes except for one pair of refurbished full grain leather sneakers and an old pair of hicking boots I found in the basement.

Best regards

Pascal