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Bold suits - choosing the rest of the look

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Holdfast, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. lasbar

    lasbar Senior member

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    Saw a blog post recently on a look termed the "Italian background" - essentially a blue shirt & navy knit/grenadine tie, used to tone down loud suits & sportcoats. There are some examples from the Sartorialist in the link, and Lapo demonstrating the idea below. (Though his coat isn't really that loud.)

    http://www.permanentstyle.co.uk/2008...ackground.html

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    That is very nice...
     
  2. NewYorkIslander

    NewYorkIslander Senior member

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    GREAT thread HF. You've been thinking about this for a while haven't you...it was you who decided the "Pattern Challenge" yes?

    Joe in the accounting dept., 5'8" and a bit overweight, looks like a fool in the company cafeteria wearing this outfit.

    This. As with almost all things in life and particularly dress, your personality and confidence plays a bigger role than anything else. You just can't "know" someone from a picture on the internet, but a look of confidence can go a long way, if you really are confident in the suit then you're good, if its a pout for the camera, then you risk looking the fool for the remainder of the day.

    I also think Will is dead on with taking a minor color from the boldest item, and playing off of it. I think this plays just as an important role as pattern when doing this. All the colors from this take off the blue hue this suit's grey has.

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    Its easy to be confident when you're surrounded by 14 year old kids who don't know shit about shit all day...[​IMG]

    I also think BOLD suits are more like this (country), and not necessarily just plaids, which can be very conservative. Of Mike's I think he has that one country three piece and the rest I'd say can be more CBD (well for me at least)
     
  3. Mr.P

    Mr.P Senior member

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    People are misunderstanding checkered dude's intention. He isn't trying to harmonize anything really, he wants visual tension. He does an excellent job of creating tension without pushing all the way into eyesore. Graphic design people try these same kinds of tricks all the time.
    Tension needs to have some resolution to be effective. This dude is like a John Cage sonata. And not in a good way.
     
  4. SpooPoker

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    Im still really pissed that suit did not fit me, Rob. I cant believe you sold it.
     
  5. NewYorkIslander

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    Im still really pissed that suit did not fit me, Rob. I cant believe you sold it.

    LOL, you know, I liked it, no I loved it, but it just simply could not get the wear it needed. Maybe twice or three times a year? If I had a wardrobe of similar suits it would be different, so I decided I'd rather have more bold SC's and more conservative suiting. One day I'll have a similar one made up, when I feel I've achieved what I want with the rest of my wardrobe, though knowing me (and most of us) I may never get there. Having said that, if I had a bigger place I'd have kept it.
     
  6. TRINI

    TRINI Senior member

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    visual tension.

    I like this term.
     
  7. Holdfast

    Holdfast Senior member

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    I'm surprised no one else included this:

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    Another example of using contrast collars with bold suits, as discussed earlier. The intensely coloured square is another example of adding a competing point of interest, as is the use of a bow tie. I'm not a big fan of the final result, but it is interesting to note the methodological similarity of approach to some of the concepts already being discussed.

    That's because Hamish is not trying to blend the diverse elements in like someone like Will would advise, dressing for fashion events is very often about putting forward a bold piece; fashion can be seen before you something which traditionalists would revile.
    People are misunderstanding checkered dude's intention. He isn't trying to harmonize anything really, he wants visual tension. He does an excellent job of creating tension without pushing all the way into eyesore. Graphic design people try these same kinds of tricks all the time.

    Both these posts essentially make the same point - the clothes here are being used to illustrate a conceptual approach that is fundamentally different from a traditional aesthetic. I would even go so far as to say that the focus here is about creating a portrait, not about dressing well. I love that intellectual approach to the use of clothes.

    Now, I wouldn't use it all the time for myself, naturally, but as an alternative approach I think we forget this use of clothes/fabrics at our peril. Traditional stealth wealth is only one of many ways to approach creating an outfit.

    GREAT thread HF. You've been thinking about this for a while haven't you...it was you who decided the "Pattern Challenge" yes?

    Good catch; yes, exactly so. Think of that as being a little experiment in observing how people approached the concept.

    Since you posted your great suit, I feel obliged to post pics of a suit that I'm currently experimenting with, over each successive wear, to try to create a look that employs some of the techniques we're discussing in this thread.

    first attempt
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    Things are moving in the direction I want, as I'm slowly adding in complexity, but I'm not where I want to be for this suit yet. Next time, I'm going to use a contrast collar shirt (maybe pale pink), I think and work off that base when deciding square/tie. I might try either another stripe, or go for intense textural contast, for the tie.

    Thanks for all the excellent contributions to the thread so far.
     

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