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BMW slayer from GM

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Christofuh, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. SGladwell

    SGladwell Senior member

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    So GM's "BMW killer" strategy is to plus-size the previous generation Nissan Altima (look at the rear 3/4 pic!), put an ugly corporate face and some boy-racer wheelarch lips on it on it, give it a Flyover Country interpretation of a nice interior, and shove a big lump under the hood. Bet it weighs over 4000 lbs!

    I wish somebody would "slay" BMW, because their cars have gotten massively less involving to drive and unspeakably ugly over the last bunch of years. But this one ain't gonna do it.
     


  2. countdemoney

    countdemoney Senior member

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    Bangle is the worst.

    That said, this car isn't a BMW killer, but I will say that it is a step in the right direction for GM and the Pontiac badge.

    I wouldn't be suprised to see more of this. Having it made overseas helps GM out from its union woes.

    I also wish I had a billion or two to start a new American auto company. Maybe Mittal would do it.
     


  3. bachbeet

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    SG: Not sure what you mean about driveability, etc of the BMWs. I own an 01 330Ci and it is the best car I've ever owned. It's saved me from quite a few accidents. Most recently on Thursday last week when the brakes/handling saved me from a collision involving two other cars.
     


  4. SGladwell

    SGladwell Senior member

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    SG: Not sure what you mean about driveability, etc of the BMWs. I own an 01 330Ci and it is the best car I've ever owned. It's saved me from quite a few accidents. Most recently on Thursday last week when the brakes/handling saved me from a collision involving two other cars.
    I didn't say anything about "driveability," but "involvement." Sure, an E46 or up is fast. Sure, it has good brakes, at least in terms of performance if not communication. Sure, it has high grip limits. But what does it tell the driver? Absolutely nothing. Everything's just numb and heavy and no more interesting than a pick-up truck to drive. Older ones had much more communicative controls and suspensions. If they took 500lbs out of the current one, did a minus-1 on the tires, and fixed the atrocious electric steering, they might have a chance of making into a car one could get at least slightly excited about driving. Then again, the last RWD BMW that's I'd ever consider as a good fit for my tastes is an E30 M3. Or maybe an E34 318ti, but that's one of those very rare modern instances of a car that could really do with a few more hp. (RWD because the mk. I BMW Mini was quite a good effort. I drove one for a while, until I moved onto a real driver's car.)
     


  5. bachbeet

    bachbeet Senior member

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    SG: I guess we disagree here (as opposed to politics). I don't feel numb at all when driving my Beemer. What car have you moved onto?
     


  6. A Y

    A Y Senior member

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    Sure, it has high grip limits. But what does it tell the driver? Absolutely nothing. Everything's just numb and heavy and no more interesting than a pick-up truck to drive.

    That's quite an exaggeration.

    I didn't know there was a 5-series hatchback either ("E34 318ti"?). What else do you know about BMWs?

    --Andre
     


  7. A Y

    A Y Senior member

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    The Evolution has some serious pedigree in the WRC and its prior incarnations, a field that BMW abandoned a long time ago.

    The Evo is also one of the very few production cars with a fully seam-welded chassis, which stiffens the chassis considerably.

    Is Mitsubishi USA still looking up attendance lists of track schools and autoXes, and automatically invalidating warrantees of those owners' cars?

    --Andre
     


  8. Christofuh

    Christofuh Senior member

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    It was 3-series based and came with a motor lifted from a lawn mower.
    Somehow the lunatics from Hartge have been able to shove a previous gen M5-sourced V8 under its hood, though.

    [​IMG]
     


  9. SGladwell

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    That's quite an exaggeration.

    I didn't know there was a 5-series hatchback either ("E34 318ti"?). What else do you know about BMWs?

    --Andre


    Isn't the E34 the 3er before the E46?
     


  10. Dormouse

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    is this the new chris bangle?

    Can you deny his influence on the design industry? He at least possesses a mantra of sorts.
     


  11. matadorpoeta

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    Isn't the E34 the 3er before the E46?
    e36
     


  12. A Y

    A Y Senior member

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    The E36 is the 3 before the E46. The E34 is the 5 before the E39.

    --Andre
     


  13. Full Canvas

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    As much as General Motors might try for the American market, the redone Holden design is too diluted and compromised to be a challenger for the 5 Series BMW. It is far too large to be considered as a 3 Series slayer unless Bungle and crew allow the 3 Series to continue swelling at the current pace.

    In 1990, General Motors made its best BMW slayer attempt to date through its Opel and Vauxhall divisions. Lotus was awarded a contract with a fairly long leash to redesign an existing GM design. The resultant car was a serious challenger to the M5. Lotus designed the left-hand drive Omega for Opel and the right-hand drive Carlton for Vauxhall. In total, nearly 1,000 cars were built.

    As with the contemporary BMW M5, the Lotus-engineered car was fitted with an inline six-cylinder engine. The engine produced approximately 375 hp and sent it to the rear wheels through a six speed manual gearbox. Published road tests in CAR and Autocar magazines credited the Carlton with an observed top speed of more than 175 mph.

    I was allowed three "take-it-easy" laps in an Opel version at Donnington Park during the Lotus Festival in March of 2000. The car is as big as the M5 and feels faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssst. It drives as taught as the BMW, yet the interior feel is more like a traditional men's club than the BMW's Spartan bus station feel.

    This is the LHD Omega built by Opel.
    [​IMG]

    Here's the RHD Carlton by Vauxhall in the car park at Lotus owner's event. Note the Elise and early Turbo Esprit to the left.
    [​IMG]

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  14. Christofuh

    Christofuh Senior member

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    I was under the impression Carlton used to be Vauxhall exclusive [​IMG]
    One can't help but recall 2 more, shall we say, interesting rides from those years.
    Both Porsche powered.

    [​IMG]
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    I just want to chime in: [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] "BMW slayer" [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 6.0L V8 [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     


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