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Blackwatch tartan dinner jacket

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by WICaniac, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. WICaniac

    WICaniac Senior member

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    I have the opportunity to purchase this BB blackwatch DJ for $437 (reg $795, may not be made in this style in the future).

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    Wife: Do you really need it?
    Me: No one needs one of these. But I want it badly.
    Wife: We don't have the money.
    Me: I'll never find it again at this price.
    Wife: When will you wear it?
    Me: ...

    Help.
     
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  3. rcoreytaylor

    rcoreytaylor Senior member

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    Well...maybe ask yourself if you really want a blackwatch dinner jacket OR perhaps a blackwatch blazer - Hmmmm? I went through something similar a few months ago and ended up purchasing a subtle blackwatch blazer. I didn't know where or when I'd wear it, however it turned out to be quite versatile and I've been rockin' that sucker a lot the past couple of weeks!
     
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  4. Henry Carter

    Henry Carter Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I think your wife is right. Save the money, tell her you don't need it and she was right, buy her some flowers and enjoy your night...
     
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  5. Superfluous

    Superfluous Senior member

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    If you actually don't have the money you probably shouldn't buy this.
     
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  6. WICaniac

    WICaniac Senior member

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    It's the timing more than the means. This DJ makes me want to host cocktail parties at which it would be appropriate, but I'm wondering whether I could get more mileage out of it. I get 1-3 black tie invites a year but would wear a tux to all of them. I also regularly attend banquet dinners that call for a suit. Could I instead wear this (a) with the rest of my BT ensemble or (b) with regular black trousers and a necktie (as in the below image of a similar DJ)?

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  7. Bounder

    Bounder Senior member

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    This picture is awful. Please do not do this. The first question is, do you already have a tux? if you do, then you can think about expanding your repertoire. But if it were me, I would get a "white" (they're really more of a cream) DJ for warm weather before I would get a black watch. The bottom line is that, if you are at all concerned about the expense, don't. Worrying about the cost of buying a black watch DJ is incompatible with buying a black watch DJ. There are lots of other excellent black tie accessories to spend your money on first. In fact, you can now legitimately go out and spend $250 on something and then tell your wife that she was right and that she convinced you not to buy that jacket so you bought this instead and it only cost $250! etc., etc. And don't think you will never be able to find a black watch again at such a good price. You can probably find one in perfect condition in a thrift store for $20. Since you don't need matching pants, they are pretty easy to find.
     
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  8. bertie

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    I think the advice above is good. To some extent it follows the adage "If you have to ask...". These kind of impulse buys always seem like a good idea at the time. If you decide this is something you want, fits your lifestyle and can fit into your annual clothing budget, you can have one made up for not much more than the BB sale price at that time.
     
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  9. Master Squirrel

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  10. Master Squirrel

    Master Squirrel Senior member

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    That being said. What size is it? I am in the market.
     
  11. FillW

    FillW Senior member

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    Good idea. I'll be on the lookout for one. [​IMG]

    Yeah, I'd probably not buy a new one if I were the OP.
     
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  12. bertie

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    See - people are critical of JAB but they are just way ahead of the trends. In a few years when everyone is attending tartan parties - their stock will soar.

    For my tartan DJ, I have my heart set on purple and have already acquired the material as an unfunded liability.
     
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    bertie Senior member

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    To whom is your question addressed?
     
  14. Master Squirrel

    Master Squirrel Senior member

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    The OP or who ever has one in my size willing to sell cheap. I do think it is a beautiful jacket.
     
  15. WICaniac

    WICaniac Senior member

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    Not a fan of the notch lapel or the relatively boxy cut of the JAB, which can be had for $200. The wife is on the fence about the BB at $437 but categorically against this jacket at less than half the price. This isn't quite an impulse purchase as I've been scrounging for one of these for some time. If I found the JAB at a thrift shop for $20 I'd jump on it, but if I'm buying it retail it has to be perfect. The BB jacket is in every regard.

    If you're asking me, the one I'm contemplating purchasing is a 42R, but the tag still says $795. The reduced price is a product of overlapping discounts.
     
  16. WICaniac

    WICaniac Senior member

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    First, let me thank you for your helpful input, which has swayed me from a determination to purchase this jacket to genuine ambivalence. That said, I'd be interested to know what you find quite so offensive about this look or, for that matter, this one:

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    Granted, this jacket (a Gant) is less format than the BB, and the guy wearing it looks like he's in a boy band--but something about this look appeals to me. I live in a fairly bohemian community and think I could pull it off without violating the Beau Brummel rule (i.e. if you turn heads you're not dressed appropriately).

    I suppose I have moved past solicitation of advice regarding whether I should purchase the jacket in question; I'm more keen on collecting your thoughts about the appropriateness of such a jacket outside of the traditional confines of private BT parties and clubs. After starting this thread, I found one titled "Black Tie Casual," in which the OP seems to share my agenda of appropriating some of the style of traditional BT and adapting it to the 21st century. Is it possible to tastefully push against the boundaries and (hopefully) reestablish a place for styles that deserve preservation or resurrection?
     
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  17. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think you can wear this out without a black tie rig, even without a tie. Never wear a long tie with this though. So if you really like it AND can afford it (as well as these additional cocktail parties you say you'll now be hosting), I think it's ok to try and experiment with it. I'd be more worried about wearing it to a true black tie event. This can be very good, it can be very bad. If you don't understand the subtleties of messages that different black tie options send and when they are appropriate, then I would tread lightly.
     
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  18. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I also can't say that the BB version in particular really inspires me, but that's a separate question...in general, I think it's good to avoid getting too excited about a "deal" and feeling like you've just got to buy such and such a thing now or your opportunity will forever slip away.
     
  19. WICaniac

    WICaniac Senior member

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    Oh, I've thought about that already...

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  20. CrAz3D

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    this. somuch of this.
     

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