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BlackLapel.com - any experience with them?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by PsylentStorm, Apr 30, 2012.

  1. PsylentStorm

    PsylentStorm Active Member

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    I've seen that Indochino is hit and miss, but does anyone have any experience with BlackLapel.com? I've heard the horror stories of Indochino, but it sounds as if BlackLapel has a stronger commitment to quality. For what it's worth, their suits are also half-canvassed.

    I know online MTM is far from ideal, but it's going to be a purchase for multiple people (groomsmen), and I think having multiple suits of the same fabric but with different features would be a nice change from having everyone wear the same OTR suit. I'm still open to the latter idea if people feel that it's significantly better to go with the same OTR suit (budget ~$350) than going online MTM.

    Thanks for the help!
     
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  2. MSchapiro

    MSchapiro Senior member

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    Sorry to revive, but I am curious too.
     
  3. Henkie

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    I saw somebody post some picks of a suit he got from them on Reddit. I was not particularly impressed with the fit. The problem is, of course, that I can't tell whether that's because the guy screwed up his measurements, or because BlackLapel screwed up when making the suit. But neither would entirely surprise me.
     
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    About to pull the trigger on a suit later this week [after I triple-check my measurements]. I'll report back after I do.
     
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    Would be greatly appreciated. The fabric descriptions on the site seem great. A little more expensive than indochino.... I would like to see how they stack up.
     
  7. jbernard

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    I have 1 suits from them, and loved it so much i bought to more and a shirt from them. I cannot say for everyone, but they got my measurements near exact. The only suit I have better is a suit by a custom tailor in Northville, MI. But you are never going to get as good of a fit online as with a master tailor. I will post a picture when I get a chance to show you the fit. It should be note that I like slim fit suits, 2.5-3" ties and no break on my suit/pants. I do not know how
    Their less slim (tailored) and traditional fit is. The models on their website that are wearing "tailored fit" I don't think look very good. So you are on your own with black lapel if you don't like slim fit.
    The others thing I can say is unlike most online places they do accept returns. Do free remakes, and have the best customer service I have ever dealt with.

    I will post a picture tomorrow when I am at a computer not on my phone.
     
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  9. Jmm003

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    I received sample swatches in the mail a few days ago from Black Lapel. I requested swatches for the Solid Cool Grey, Solid Charcoal, and Solid Navy Blue suits. The cloth seems quite superb.

    Compared to the Indochino Essential Suits, the standard Black Lapel offerings had a much smoother texture, slightly lighter feel, and an ever so slightly greater sheen. Black Lapel clearly has the superior fabric here.

    Compared to the Indochino Vincero Suits, however, the cloth was--for my untrained eye--indistinguishable. Of course I was not comparing apples to apples at this point [the Vincero swatches I ordered were mostly patterns and stripes, not solids], but the hand of both sets was similar.

    Moreover, Black Lapel's customer service is spot on--I requested these swatches on Friday, and they arrived on Monday. And the swatches came with a complimentary measuring tape, similar to ones available through Indochino. Even though I did not request a tape, it was a nice touch.

    I am still hoping that someone will post more photos here of a Black Lapel suit and describe its cut and construction.
     
  10. jbernard

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    I have to get my sleeves of my black lapel suits altered. But that was my fault I took the advice of a local tailor and didn't realize they had the sleeves to my hand not allowing some shirt sleeve to show. But I will post pictures of my black and navy suit hopefully tonight.
     
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    Also, if you don't see a customization option on their website just give them an email and they will do it for you for free. from anything to more buttons, another boutonniere, etc.

    I am also getting 4 shirts from them that are not on their website. I told them what I wanted they got swatches from their supplier and are going to make them for me!
     
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    Your saying the Vincero was better correct? You said it, but you are definitely comparing apples to oranges. Those 3 are all Black Lapel's Super 110s fabrics. you should feel their 130s (Charcoal Light Blue Pinstripe, etc.) and their 150s (Solid Gray suit). They are the same quality as suits I have had made from very prestigious tailors at 2-3 times the cost.
     
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    Their websites are extremely similar. Are IC and BL the same company?
     
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    No. I said they were indistinguishable. Put another way, I'm saying the feel of the Vincero was similar to the Super 110s from Black Lapel. Again, this was only a comparison of cloth, not construction...and it was certainly not an expert's opinion.
     
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    Hmm, don't know what I read not that I read it again. Here is a picture of my navy suit. I wore it today. This is the slim fit. I used my iphone for the camera and it does indeed tent to add 5 pounds. But you can see the fit.[​IMG]
     
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    The best thing is if you don't like it, they will remake it and make sure you truly love it. It not let them know and they will fix it. Plus they are based in new York not china like most mtm places. On a jacket I had remade they even paid the shipping.
     
  18. mingus2112

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    I have a Navy suit from them and am extremely happy. I know it's useless without pictures, but I can't find any at the moment. I don't have any experience with other Made to Measure tailors, so I can't really compare.

    I actually found them "out in the wild" when I saw one of the co-founders, Warren, at my regular tailor. He was there with a customer, and I was pretty impressed with the suit. So I made a note of the name on the garment bag (different name at the time) and looked it up later. This was last spring, before they launched their website. Turns out they were just in their development phase.

    I met with Warren at his office (they're based in Manhattan) and he gave me all sorts of style advice. This was when I was first starting to improve my wardrobe. I exchanged several emails with him over the next several months "what do you think of this?" "how do you think this fits?" and this was all without making a single purchase. Warren is a genuinely nice guy and he really cares about the people as well as the product.

    Ended up having a "man party" last August at my house in NJ. I pitched the idea to Warren and he loved it. It's basically a guy's version of a tupperware party. He came out to the house with swatches (wearing their Navy suit) and his girlfriend to help take measurements. We did a scotch tasting and several of my buddies ordered suits and or shirts.

    As I understand it, they have a "less means more" type of model. A lot fewer fabric choices means they can buy in bigger bulk and get better fabrics. For me, the fact that I was dealing with an actual person (and IN PERSON) was worth the price increase over places like Indochino or Modern Tailor. It may be different for you.

    Bottom line is that, although i'm THRILLED with my purchases (I have the suit and several shirts no - he even made me a blue shirt with cocktail cuffs!), i'm not the best person to judge quality. I CAN vouch for the people, though. I always feel like a shill when I write a review in favor of someone i've become friendly with - but I really can't say enough about the company. If you have the means, give them a shot.

    -James
     
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    I've spoken with them a few times as well. Their customer service is most excellent. I haven't made any commissions from them yet, though. I do believe, while the company is based in New York, that their tailoring is done in Asia (though feel free to correct me, anyone, if I am mistaken).
     
  20. mingus2112

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    That is correct. Shanghai if I recall, but I could be mistaken.

    -James
     

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