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Black VS Brown Leather Jackets

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by lemmywinks, Oct 17, 2010.

  1. thekunk07

    thekunk07 Senior member

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    no the model looks like chris bale

    In the leather jacket thread someone just compared that awful RL leather to Batman's outfit. Seems like a surprisingly good comparison. It does have a certain super hero like quality.
     
  2. DLester

    DLester Senior member

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    I hate brown and black (is that an mc rule?) but I do navy and black on the regular. I also despise the normal ubiquitous shade of brown you see everywhere, I'm more of a cognac, taupe, beige kind of guy and I have one pair of dark chocolatey brown boots that are amazingly rich. The only other brown that is acceptable is cigar shell.

    for jackets I prefer the rich chocolate browns and have a moto in that color.

    edit: you may be able to wear beige leather with your coloring, but I just can't do that. : /

    pics are better than words for this type of debate, so . . .

    here is a good brown:

    Oh btw, I made the Bomber in brown, to demonstrate the brown. It's also beautiful, maybe more so than the black Bomber even. Put on, I feel hella fucking 'Top Gun' in it, haha. (this is not a photoshop btw) [​IMG]

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    here is a bad brown:

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  3. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    I think the type also plays a role in the color. Like for me, a moto/dr would look best in black or some unusual colorways (red, navy, etc..) while bombers looks better in brown (along with different shades of it).
     
  4. Morgan

    Morgan Senior member

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    As Paul Fussel wrote: "Only six things can be made of black leather without causing class damage to the owner: belts, shoes, handbags, gloves, camera cases, and dog leashes."
     
  5. mfrege

    mfrege Senior member

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    here is what brown will look like after 10-15 years:

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    fixed
     
  6. Fuuma

    Fuuma Senior member

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    As Paul Fussel wrote: "Only six things can be made of black leather without causing class damage to the owner: belts, shoes, handbags, gloves, camera cases, and dog leashes."

    When did he write that, 1936? Not that I care about conveying "class" but Fussel, whoever he is, can suck my dick.
     
  7. macuser3of5

    macuser3of5 Senior member

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    fixed

    u dumb. almost as dumb as morgan
     
  8. DLester

    DLester Senior member

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    When did he write that, 1936? Not that I care about conveying "class" but Fussel, whoever he is, can suck my dick.

    here he is. obey him.

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  9. snake

    snake Senior member

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    lol that's just silly. Like something I'd expect to see over on MC.
     
  10. Fuuma

    Fuuma Senior member

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    lol that's just silly. Like something I'd expect to see over on MC.
    It was actually true awhile back, say when Bourdieu wrote about distinction and class taste, but things pretty much moved around in the last few decades (see theory of omnivore distinction) cause of fashion designers recuperating the "menacing" biker and S&M black leather looks and upper class people subscribing to the whole "borrowing things from subculture", even (especially) working class ones. Not that we care that much here considering our (well mine) scheme of reference is mostly a fantastical, fragmented collage of disparate references taken from pop-culture, high art and runway fashions.
     
  11. aeglus

    aeglus Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    here he is. obey him.

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    tempted to make this pic my sig
     
  12. mfrege

    mfrege Senior member

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    u dumb. almost as dumb as morgan

    in pointing out the dumbness of not being able to imply that a brand new brown can't be compared to worn out brown (or purposely antiqued), well, you're just an idiot.
     
  13. Morgan

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    He wrote "Class: A Guide Through the American Status System" in 1983 or so. It's actually a very funny book, and full of wry insight. The chapter on clothing is just a small part of it, but that one sentence stuck in my head and the exact quotation was easily googleable.

    So, in response to a special flower thread posing the question "in general what is the difference between a black and a brown leather jacket?" I say: when someone says "black leather jacket" I think bouncer, town car driver, the Nazi S.S., and Guitar Wolf. Like Fuuma says, a fantastical, fragmented collage of disparate references. Although brown leather jackets often connote either WWII bombers or early '70s hippies, the association isn't as strong and they're generally easier to pull off in any context.
     
  14. snake

    snake Senior member

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    I think people have a very difficult time moving away from the associations of what a black or brown leather jacket has attached to it. I say fuck it and make it your own.
     
  15. jet

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    When did he write that, 1936? Not that I care about conveying "class" but Fussel, whoever he is, can suck my dick.
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    I think people have a very difficult time moving away from the associations of what a black or brown leather jacket has attached to it. I say fuck it and make it your own.
    this is the problem with mc, for some reason they are programmed by associations like lab mice not judging a piece on its own merit, they see something they like and then their brain goes nope that's the same color a hells angel wears no thanks...the implication here is that all black leather looks the same too which is an idiotic pov rye post up that black leather ps. here's an association for you mc fucks your brown looks like my doodoo
     
  16. Binker

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    He wrote "Class: A Guide Through the American Status System" in 1983 or so. It's actually a very funny book, and full of wry insight. The chapter on clothing is just a small part of it, but that one sentence stuck in my head and the exact quotation was easily googleable.
    I read it for a class and also found it enjoyable. As you say, the tone is humorous and observational, not condemnatory.
     
  17. Morgan

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    I think people have a very difficult time moving away from the associations of what a black or brown leather jacket has attached to it. I say fuck it and make it your own.

    I understand what you're saying, but many stylistic choices are made precisely because a particular piece carries certain connotations. I mean, when a designer appropriates a style from biker or S&M subculture (to use Fuuma's examples), the designer isn't erasing those associations but highlighting and recontextualizing them. You can't make something your own without acknowledging that it was someone else's first.

    Black leather is an aggressive, typically masculine material. This is exactly why Schott Perfectos are so badass, and why the Gestapo looked so terrifying. At the same time, this creates a higher degree of difficulty for the wearer. It makes a statement, and that statement is not "I'll meet you for gin and tonics at the club." Sure, you can use washed lamb or some other softened/wrinkled leather or whatever but then you're just highlighting the contrast between the altered material and traditional "black leather," with all that implies.
     
  18. hendrix

    hendrix Senior member

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    I've seen aeglus pull off a Perfecto-type jacket in WAYWT, but it's not an easy look (I could not do it)
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    I hate this idea.


    People posting "man i love DRs but i couldn't pull it off" wtf?

    a) a DR is not the most aggressively designed thing in the world

    b) Even if something is crazily designed, if you like it, it fits you well and you have the pieces to match, you can make it work.
     
  19. Makeshift_Robot

    Makeshift_Robot Senior member

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    Black leather is an aggressive, typically masculine material. This is exactly why Schott Perfectos are so badass, and why the Gestapo looked so terrifying. At the same time, this creates a higher degree of difficulty for the wearer. It makes a statement, and that statement is not "I'll meet you for gin and tonics at the club." Sure, you can use washed lamb or some other softened/wrinkled leather or whatever but then you're just highlighting the contrast between the altered material and traditional "black leather," with all that implies.

    Honestly you're pretty incorrect in every detail man. Schott Perfectos aren't always badass (really the puffier silhouette compared to a modern leather makes them seem kind of fogeyish to me), and the Gestapo looked so terrifying because they were going to fucking kill you, not because of their color.

    I feel like at this point black leather jackets have been completely reappropriated as regular-person-wear; I don't get much of a sense of menace from something like the ToJ DR. In fact, the night-wear connotations of black leather mean that it probably is better for saying "I'll meet you for gin & tonics at the club" than a brown leather; the club in question would be short on poor submissive servants but long on waitresses wearing thongs under their skirts.

    And also saying that thick black calf is the only "true" or "traditional" black leather is just incomprehensible to me.
     
  20. DLester

    DLester Senior member

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    Honestly you're pretty incorrect in every detail man. Schott Perfectos aren't always badass (really the puffier silhouette compared to a modern leather makes them seem kind of fogeyish to me), and the Gestapo looked so terrifying because they were going to fucking kill you, not because of their color.

    hard to argue with this
     

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