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"Black Tie Casual"

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by unbelragazzo, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. sinfjotli

    sinfjotli Senior member

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  2. hendrix

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    actually I was thinking about this the other day.

    a collarless button up shirt might be perfect for such things.

    Generally I detest these shirts, but here it probably offers a really good compromise.
     
  3. Ianiceman

    Ianiceman Senior member

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    Well we should keep an eye on the upcoming awards season as some clueless knob like Morgan Freeman is bound to try something 'creative' for the red carpet, for which these type of outfits are wholly inappropriate IMO.
     
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    hendrix Senior member

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    also, here's a really good example of tux over tshirt. He doesn't look overdressed even standing next to someone in just a shirt and jeans

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    This is what I mean by collarless shirt. I think they're also called "mandarin" collar. I think I'd opt for a covered placket and no pocket to wear with a tux jacket

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    Veremund Senior member

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    I see only two things in that photo, and a tux, shirt, or jeans ain't them!

     
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    Great idea. Been doing this for over forty years.

    And just like business casual, there are times black tie casual might include a tie.

    I mix and match the following:

    various bowties, including "Colonel Sanders", batwing, etc.

    black peak SB dinner jacket formal pants
    midnight peak DB dinner jacket
    ivory shawl DB dinner jacket
    black and white SB notch cashmere herringbone SB SC
    navy and black SB notch cashmere herring bone SB SC
    green purple and black DB blazer

    black formal pants, always worn with dinner jacket sans tie
    midnight formal pants always worn with midnight or ivory dinner jackets, but no tie
    black pin dot trousers
    midnight dress trousers
    summer weight white flannels

    pleated turndown formal shirts
    pique turndown formal shirts
    flyfront cotton or silk turndown formal shirts
    the above three are never worn with studs, only mother of pearl buttons, when "casual"
    pink, cream, or ecru FC medium spread broadcloth
    cream or pink silk shirts

    black or midnight cummerbunds worn optionally with SB jackets, usually only with bowties.

    black or midnight whole cuts, quarterbrogue punchcaps, loafers, formal pumps or slippers.

    Example 1:

    black tie with matching cummerbund
    black and white cashmere herringbone sc
    pleated turndown FC with links, and mother of pearl buttons, but no studs
    black pindot trousers
    formal pumps [not seen]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [Please excuse the crease from having the shirt boxed for travel]

    Example Two:

    green purple, and black striped DB blazer
    midnight trousers [not formal, I think]
    pique FC flyfront with medium spread
    quarter brogue punch caps

    [​IMG]

    Example Three:

    matching black SB peak dinner jacket and formal trousers
    flyfront FC cream silk formal shirt
    no tie
    formal slippers

    [pics not on this computer]

    Example Four:

    Ivory DB dinner jacket
    midnight formal pants
    pink FC flyfront broadcloth
    black apron tassels

    [pics not on this computer]

    Example Five:

    midnight DB dinner jacket
    white flannels
    white FC medium spread broadcloth or other
    black penny loafers probably without socks

    [​IMG]

    Sorry for the terrible pics, but they are just to provide food for thought.

    I have been thinking about adding a smoking jacket to the rotation, but I haven't found one I really like.
     
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  7. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Thanks for the post, recondite. Although that first pic looked more exciting at first glance than it turned out to be. At first I thought you were getting a two on one rubdown.

    What are your views on wearing a pique front shirt without a tie? No rules whatsoever or you reserve that for specific occasions and sometimes where a normal business shirt?

    That cream silk shirt sounds interesting. Did you get that from Emma Willis? I've seen them in her shop online. If you got it bespoke, how did you source the fabric? Does it wear very hot?

    The last pic with the DB I particularly like.
     
  8. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    These can look good, but you've got to be pretty careful IMHO. I know a guy that wears them a bunch, but he's quite thin and good-looking. For those of us not so blessed, having the collar to frame the face helps quite a bit.
     
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    Oh, I really like that grey SC with the black bowtie, cummerbund and trousers. That's what's on my mind when I hear "black tie casual"!
     
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    I love velvet jackets for casual black tie. Something about the deep lustre of velvet really appeals to me for evening wear.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    ^A jacket with some mohair in it can do the same thing. and at the same time not be so hot. I love velvet for evening too, as my original post indicated, but it is impossible to wear in any kind of heat, you'll melt. I'm going to be testing out this mohair blend route soon, I hope in time for summer.
     
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    True, and I overheat faster than an '86 Hyundai! Fortunately, my dinner jacket is mohair. :D
     
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    Sorry about that, I don't know what it's like to not be really really ridiculously good looking
     
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    Back to the tie, I suppose one could do the Bryan Ferry lounge lizard with the bow tie left untied under the turndown collar.
     
  15. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    ^this seems really affected unless you're actually coming from an event where you had it tied
     
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    +1
    I imagine a fine white or off-white turtleneck with a dinner suit or a white dinner jacket could look good, especially if the jacket has a shawl collar and/or is double breasted. However, any sort of dinner jacket might be too formal for "black tie casual" or "casual evening dress".
    A black / deep blue suit or a cream jacket with black / deep blue trousers would make the outfit more casual. Any shade of grey looks very "day wear" to me. Especially with a navy blue suit, wearing slippers would add to a business-inappropriate look.
     

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