"Black Tie Casual"

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by unbelragazzo, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. NORE

    NORE Senior member

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    I wouldn't say it's a fail thread. He's going off the beaten path which is admirable. He's saying "black tie causal" but I'm reading, "smoking jackets, prince alberts and bunnies". :)
     


  2. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    I wouldn't say I'm going off the beaten path as much as trying to beat a path where there really isn't one. This doesn't arise from boredom or dissatisfaction with classic black tie. It arises from a situation where it's no longer appropriate, but a desire to wear something other than t-shirts and polos or jacket-less, untucked button-down shirts.
     
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    NORE Senior member

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    As I have stated above, there are folks doing this already and have been for some time. It's the after-after-after party look. But you are choosing some really elegant and black tie correct pieces which kind of spoil the look I think you are after.
     


  4. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    Exactly none of the pieces I showed are wearable exactly as-is for black tie. Except the socks, I guess. The linen jacket, yes, but it's also used for plenty of other stuff. It's not a black-tie-specific jacket.
     


  5. NORE

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    Ok dood, I was trying to help move your thread along but I will just go away now. Sorry.
     


  6. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    I wasn't trying to mean, just pointing out that what you said was incorrect.
     


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    I can't really explain. The two outfits you posted look terrible to me. i can't give you a reason for why exactly, but I just don't like them.

    As to other solutions, wool pants, ocbd, nice shoes, sport coat. its classy yet casual and doesn't require mixed evening wear kit.
     


  8. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    Fair enough, I have stated before that "I do/don't like it but I can't explain why" is an acceptable answer, so I'll accept it here...the outfit you describe is completely inoffensive and better than what most will be wearing in a random bar, but doesn't really have any of the elegance of evening clothes to me.
     


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    I came here to say that when I saw this thread title I was like "WTF is he on about?" but it's turned out to be much more interesting than I would have anticipated. There are a few things in here that are interesting.

    That said, I think you have oversimplified the issue - many of us hit the bars in a pair of jeans with a nice spread collar shirt and a well-tailored sportcoat (no tie) and accomplish a lot of the same elegance without being the slob you've described.

    Even still, for, say, a holiday party, I do like where you're going with this.

    But those shoes.... oh god those shoes. :uhoh:
     


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    Never wear a spread collar without a tie, uuughghghghghg!.
     


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    lol I actually have only recently started with spread collars. cutaway is actually a nice look with SC if you ask me. I have some really narrow long point collars - these actually look great without a tie, better than they do with one, IMO.
     


  12. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    :D they really don't look anything like that in person. Although I am in the process of replacing, or at least augmenting them, with the G&G stingray wholecut, which is finished differently and I think more elegantly.

    Regarding the outfit you described - I think that's pretty good when I see it executed well. Like with an actual sportcoat instead of a clearly orphaned suit jacket. And it usually needs to be dark. That's kind of a version of what I'm talking about, except with jeans, and without the footwear and other details.

    I don't think it's bad necessarily, I just don't like jeans, don't even own a pair, and I think even the dressier versions then become more casual than I'd prefer. Partly because they have to be at least somewhat slim cut to look good, and I think that's antithetical to the relaxed ideal of evening wear, and partly because they are always low rise, which I don't really like.

    But thank you for the post, really I hope this thread just inspires people to talk more about what tailored clothing they wear after six when they can't wear a tie. It seems like everything we discuss all the time is more suited for the business day, because that is when most of us have the strongest incentives to wear tailored clothing.
     


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    I certainly agree it's more fun to talk about clothes for evening wear than for business wear. I have zero occasion to wear classic tailored clothes for business. Zero. So all my tailored clothing is for social wear.
     


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    So are the usual rules about not wearing black out-the-window for evening wear, even of the casual varitey? Can I wear a black sport coat or black pants (not together obviously)?
     


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    In my view, yes, although as with black tie, midnight blue may often be better. And take care that you aren't wearing orphaned items from black suits. Using non-suit fabrics helps.
     


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