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"Black Tie Casual"

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by unbelragazzo, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I wasn't trying to mean, just pointing out that what you said was incorrect.
     
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    Quadcammer Senior member

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    I can't really explain. The two outfits you posted look terrible to me. i can't give you a reason for why exactly, but I just don't like them.

    As to other solutions, wool pants, ocbd, nice shoes, sport coat. its classy yet casual and doesn't require mixed evening wear kit.
     
  3. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Fair enough, I have stated before that "I do/don't like it but I can't explain why" is an acceptable answer, so I'll accept it here...the outfit you describe is completely inoffensive and better than what most will be wearing in a random bar, but doesn't really have any of the elegance of evening clothes to me.
     
  4. Douglas

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    I came here to say that when I saw this thread title I was like "WTF is he on about?" but it's turned out to be much more interesting than I would have anticipated. There are a few things in here that are interesting.

    That said, I think you have oversimplified the issue - many of us hit the bars in a pair of jeans with a nice spread collar shirt and a well-tailored sportcoat (no tie) and accomplish a lot of the same elegance without being the slob you've described.

    Even still, for, say, a holiday party, I do like where you're going with this.

    But those shoes.... oh god those shoes. :uhoh:
     
  5. Fuuma

    Fuuma Senior member

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    Never wear a spread collar without a tie, uuughghghghghg!.
     
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    Douglas Senior member

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    lol I actually have only recently started with spread collars. cutaway is actually a nice look with SC if you ask me. I have some really narrow long point collars - these actually look great without a tie, better than they do with one, IMO.
     
  7. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    :D they really don't look anything like that in person. Although I am in the process of replacing, or at least augmenting them, with the G&G stingray wholecut, which is finished differently and I think more elegantly.

    Regarding the outfit you described - I think that's pretty good when I see it executed well. Like with an actual sportcoat instead of a clearly orphaned suit jacket. And it usually needs to be dark. That's kind of a version of what I'm talking about, except with jeans, and without the footwear and other details.

    I don't think it's bad necessarily, I just don't like jeans, don't even own a pair, and I think even the dressier versions then become more casual than I'd prefer. Partly because they have to be at least somewhat slim cut to look good, and I think that's antithetical to the relaxed ideal of evening wear, and partly because they are always low rise, which I don't really like.

    But thank you for the post, really I hope this thread just inspires people to talk more about what tailored clothing they wear after six when they can't wear a tie. It seems like everything we discuss all the time is more suited for the business day, because that is when most of us have the strongest incentives to wear tailored clothing.
     
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    I certainly agree it's more fun to talk about clothes for evening wear than for business wear. I have zero occasion to wear classic tailored clothes for business. Zero. So all my tailored clothing is for social wear.
     
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    So are the usual rules about not wearing black out-the-window for evening wear, even of the casual varitey? Can I wear a black sport coat or black pants (not together obviously)?
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    In my view, yes, although as with black tie, midnight blue may often be better. And take care that you aren't wearing orphaned items from black suits. Using non-suit fabrics helps.
     
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    I have a black hopsack blazer that I have retired since joining this forum. Maybe I should get it back out again.

    I do like the idea of a DB or SB peak lapel jacket though. Anyone have any recommendations for about $500?
     
  12. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It helps if it's got peak lapels or is one button. Try it out. The issue with black jacket is that you then need to find pants. Personally I'd prefer pants that aren't jeans. That leaves relatively few options. Patterned medium grey pants can look nice but that's too reminiscent of the stroller, which is daywear. I might even suggest trying to find a midnight blue corduroy.

    For suggestions, I haven't seen it in person and wish it were darker and without a ticket pocket, but this may have some possibilities:

    http://www.suitsupply.com/blue-jacket/C484,en_US,pd.html?start=9&cgid=Jackets

    The silk gives some sheen, which is nice for the evening.
     
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    I will have to consider this. I am going on a cruise soon, so it might see some use. It would be nice to not be wearing office wear to dinner on casual and smart casual nights. I already have the formal nights covered.
     
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    Yeah I also have a black hopsack SC that is pretty much retired - actually always was - it was sold to me on B&S as "dark navy" and I didn't feel like going through the pissing match of returning it.

    Perhaps I'll dust it off, pair with a white shirt and dark denim and black shoes, and see how it turns out. Needs chelseas I think.
     
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    I'm familiar with wanting to wear tailored clothing out to clubs etc - a tailored jacket with a shine to it does just feel right at night. Your dress shirts without a tie are definitely what's letting you down. You've admitted that the tie is the limit the crossing point before people ask why you're so dressed up. If you want to not wear a tie, you're better off just going with a tshirt here.

    See Fuuma.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The tshirt just can't do...a step too far for me. Though if you're going to, vneck clearly far superior to crew. And respect for the shawl collar on Fuuma there.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I should have added for emphasis: this thread isn't about finding me personally stuff to wear at night, it's about general suggestions and discussion for what to wear at night while trying to maintain at least something of the tradition of tailored clothing. In that vein, the pic of Fuuma shown by hendrix is a wonderful and valuable submission, so thank you. And I just want to note again how the shawl collar separates it from business wear.
     
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    What about footwear? I guess the idea is to avoid typical business shoes. Also, is there some kind of rule about no wing-tips at night? Is black the preferred color here or does brown work as well.

    I have been considering getting these shoes (http://www.kentwang.com/shoes/benchgrade-plaintoe-balmoral.html) for use with formal evening wear, and am wondering if they are suitable for non-formal evening wear as well.

    Also, what about shoes like this: http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF4135_1_40000000001_-1
    Since they are semi-brogues, are they not suitable for evening? Should I stick to only wearing those in very casual situations, like jeans and no jacket?
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The KW definitely fine. The AEs, I'd say too much brogueing for evening. If you want to get adventurous, try some Belgian loafers. Rubinacci has a nice selection in their online store.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Oh, and brown would definitely go against the intent of casual evening wear in my view
     

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