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Black-tie braces - black or white?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gumercindo, Feb 1, 2008.

  1. gumercindo

    gumercindo Senior member

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    http://www.blacktieguide.com/ is inconcluvie on this as it states...

    Suspenders (or "braces" in the UK) are always worn with a tuxedo. This is not just a matter of tradition but also of style as Dressing the Man points out. Braces raise the trouser waistband to prevent a gap between the waistcoat and the pants and they align the trousers' pleats and the waistcoat's points. Unlike belts, they do not create any extra bulk along the waistline.

    Formal suspenders are always the button-on variety, never clip-on.

    The Indispensable Guide to Classic Men's Clothing states categorically that black tie braces should be white. The Encyclopedia of Men's Clothes dictates that they should be black. Most other formalwear authorities say nothing at all on the topic. Ultimately, the answer is irrelevant because suspenders are underwear and as such are never meant to see the light of day. (This is but one of the many reasons that a gentleman never removes his jacket at a formal function). With that in mind, a man is free to indulge his whims and don any colour or pattern that suits his fancy.


    What is the board's stance on this? Black or white? For the record, I'll be wearing a turndown collar shirt with a 1B peak lapel DJ.
     
  2. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    White tie really have to be white. Black tie can be black or white, though black is strictly speaking more "correct."

    Don't sweat it, though, as either will look good, and no one is going to see them anyway.
     
  3. dopey

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    http://www.blacktieguide.com/ is inconcluvie on this as it states...

    Suspenders (or "braces" in the UK) are always worn with a tuxedo. This is not just a matter of tradition but also of style as Dressing the Man points out. Braces raise the trouser waistband to prevent a gap between the waistcoat and the pants and they align the trousers' pleats and the waistcoat's points. Unlike belts, they do not create any extra bulk along the waistline.

    Formal suspenders are always the button-on variety, never clip-on.

    The Indispensable Guide to Classic Men's Clothing states categorically that black tie braces should be white. The Encyclopedia of Men's Clothes dictates that they should be black. Most other formalwear authorities say nothing at all on the topic. Ultimately, the answer is irrelevant because suspenders are underwear and as such are never meant to see the light of day. (This is but one of the many reasons that a gentleman never removes his jacket at a formal function). With that in mind, a man is free to indulge his whims and don any colour or pattern that suits his fancy.


    What is the board's stance on this? Black or white? For the record, I'll be wearing a turndown collar shirt with a 1B peak lapel DJ.


    I believe you are supposed to wear black braces with black tie. If that is a correct statement of the rule, then it is a pointless rule. I wear white because that is what I have. I chose white because it seems to disappear nicely against my white shirt and white cummerbund. I am happy with the choice.
     
  4. athletics

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    I found myself wondering the same question last night as I am narrowing down my wedding day attire. I saw some at Brooks Brothers that were black on the front (leather and fabric) and white leather in the back. I was thrown for a loop there.

    I decided to go with a black vest and will probably go with black braces. From what maker, I don't know...and does that really matter?
     
  5. King Francis

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    What size braces work with what jacket / shirt sizes?
     
  6. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Braces typcially only come in medium or long, and what size you need depends on how tall you are and the rise of your trousers. When in doubt, get the shorter size, so you don't end up with the levers rubbing against your collar bone.
     
  7. needshoehelp

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    Slight resurrection: would braces like this work?

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  8. voxsartoria

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    I wear white because that is what I have. I chose white because it seems to disappear nicely against my white shirt and white cummerbund.

    White cummerbund?

    Snazzy.

    - B
     
  9. greekonomist

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    Is the cummerbund silk or pique cotton?
     
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    I think braces are the one part of a black tie outfit where creativity can be injected with relative impunity (unlike coloured bow ties, cummerbunds etc). I've worn black on occasion but also a pair of wine coloured ones.

    Ultimately nobody sees them, so it doesn't really matter a jot.
     
  11. Doc4

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    I think braces are the one part of a black tie outfit where creativity can be injected with relative impunity (unlike coloured bow ties, cummerbunds etc). I've worn black on occasion but also a pair of wine coloured ones.

    Ultimately nobody sees them, so it doesn't really matter a jot.

    ... until the end of the party* and you finally take your DJacket off. It's about the same time as your bowtie comes undone ... and you want your bowtie to come untied, not unclipped, right?? Equally, you want your suspenders to be white or black, not ... "other"

    *or the end of the Wedding reception; this is about the time when that cute bridesmaid decides whether or not she likes you that much ... get all the help you can!
    What size braces work with what jacket / shirt sizes?

    I recently bought a pair of braces from Albert Thurston ... before ordering I e-mailed them for info on picking the right size & they were very helpful. (It's basically a question of the distance the brace has to go from the back button, over your shoulder, to the front button, that decides size. The details of that, alas, are lost in the foggy recesses of my memory.
     
  12. mdg137

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    With black tie, I wear a pair of black silk braces with super fine vertical stripes in white-- granted, I also almost always wear a vest as well...
     
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    ... until the end of the party* and you finally take your DJacket off. It's about the same time as your bowtie comes undone ... and you want your bowtie to come untied, not unclipped, right?? Equally, you want your suspenders to be white or black, not ... "other"

    *or the end of the Wedding reception; this is about the time when that cute bridesmaid decides whether or not she likes you that much ... get all the help you can!


    In such a situation I'm sure you would agree too that it matters little!
     
  14. Toiletduck

    Toiletduck Senior member

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    as no one is supposed to see them anyway, why not get something BLOODY AWESOME
     
  15. theoldadage

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    I would say white, particularly if you are wearing a cummerbund or low-cut waistcoat as black would interrupt the lines.....
     
  16. migo

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    major resurrection, but is there anything wrong with both ?

    [​IMG]
     
  17. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Senior member

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    The Thurston suspenders that I use for normal black tie are black with embroidered white polka dots, with the much lamented cat gut ends.

    So, black and white.


    - B
     
  18. tlmusic

    tlmusic Senior member

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    as no one is supposed to see them anyway, why not get something BLOODY AWESOME
    +1 By the time you have your dinner jacket off, you would be well into drinking champagne out of ladies high heel pumps. At that point, no one is likely to throw a rule book at you* *BTW, the rule is: don't ever take your jacket off when you are wearing Dinner Clothes in polite company.
     
  19. BruceWayne

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    major resurrection, but is there anything wrong with both ? [​IMG]
    Where are the metal adjuster levers on the suspenders/braces in this pic?
     

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