black shirt + tie

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  1. LouisD

    LouisD Member

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    Every time I see my high school graduation photos from three years ago I cringe.

    Black rented notch lapel three-button tuxedo, black shirt, bright red ZIP-ON tie.

    *sigh*

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  2. Johnny24

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    I cannot discuss that at this time.
    Black/very dark shirts with a satin tie scream high school, Express, bad Oscar costume, or Silvio Dante........The only time you should do it is if you are required as a waiter/bartender/bouncer, or some other jobs (I had to do the black shirt and tie as bouncer in my meathead days, the black shirt hid blood easily, but a tie is useless in a bar fight). Being that the OP is a teen, it is likely that he will encounter one of those jobs soon, before moving onto bigger and better things.

    I do think a black shirt without a tie can work with a mid grey suit for something like a nightclub or general casual evening out where a jacket is required but, you are in a place where it is likely that bright colored drinks will be spilled on you by ladies in short dresses. Mind you, you need the right look/build and tailoring to pull this off correctly or you will just be the fat and/or old guy trying to look young/cool.
     


  3. SergioFM

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    Wow... I hand't realized how traditional the whole mens' formal wear world is. First of all I have to say that I'm a total sartorial rookie but I would like to think that black - very dark shirts have a place in the formal world. From looking at the pictures I agree that a brightly colored tie doesn't look good at all but how about a gray or charcoal tie that is a couple of shades lighter than the shirt?

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  4. mafoofan

    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    When I was in high school, which I'd like to think wasn't that long ago, I thought black suits worn with black shirts, silver ties, and square-toed Kenneth Coles were the coolest.

    I don't want to sound patronizing, but I think it's worth considering that if you are young, it is less likely you've spent as much time really observing and learning how to dress in tailored clothing. What you think looks good now may be what you think looks ridiculous later.
     


  5. SergioFM

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    Considering this t-shirt is what I thought was my best looking outfit for work not more than a month ago I assure you that you don't sound patronizing at all:
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    PS: That's not me ;)
     


  6. msulinski

    msulinski Senior member

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    See how he is smacking himself on the head? That is because he realized he looks like an idiot.
     


  7. SergioFM

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    That was the easy reply I was waiting for the moment I found the pic. Maybe it's the peer pressure that makes you all say it looks bad even though some of you secretly wish you could pull it off?
     
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  8. SergioFM

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    I was wearing smartass tees to work not even a month ago. I assure you that you don't sound patronizing at all. I have lots to learn.
     


  9. Gibonius

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    I wouldn't think so. I suspect many of us have a black shirt hanging in their back of our closets somewhere, but now that we have a better training, can no longer find an application for it (certainly along with a tie). Out on the street, nobody would blink twice at it, but it just looks bad once you know how to process the effect.

    There is a reason, in terms of the visual effect, that many restaurants have their staff dress in that fashion. It is not because of how fashionable and sauve it makes them look.

    For that matter, few people here would ever recommend wearing a tie without a jacket. With the black shirt approach, you could only really wear a black jacket and then you're just exacerbating all the issues further.
     
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  10. SergioFM

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    Well, for a guy who used to wear nothing but black this is quite depressing to read. I need to always have something black or at least dark enough in my attire in order to feel comfortable.
     


  11. SergioFM

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    Sorry... double post.
     
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  12. Sanguis Mortuum

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    They certainly do not. Every remotely formal dress-code requires a white shirt, dark/black shirts are not the least bit formal and should not be seen outside of nightclubs (and ideally not even then).
     


  13. EFV

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    You just might find yourself being the singer of an English "goth chick" garage band, and get laid a whole lot.

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    But then again, you most likely will not.
     


  14. Percy Trimmer

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    Black shirts are really only worn by doormen, members of dubious political organizations, and the clergy.

    In the 1960s some Church of England clergy of a liberal persuasion replaced the Rome collar with a black shirt and white tie. Alec Vidler, Dean of King's College, Cambridge, (shown here) was well known for the style.




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  15. mafoofan

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    Ironically, he looks like a Satanist.
     


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