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Black Lapel or Proper Suit?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by jdstany, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. slick007

    slick007 Member

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    "I think the nail in the coffin is with proper suit you meet with someone,"

    Black Lapel doesn't have stylists in as many cities as Proper Suit, but if you live in New York City it's easy to set up an appointment with them at their New York headquarters.
     
  2. pickleweed

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    there is a discernible difference in price. the lowest your getting out of propersuit is 750. compared to the 500ish for black lapel.

    i havent dealt with propersuit in any way so i dont know how they compare, but i have been in contact with black lapel. while i havent purchased anything from them yet, i am pretty impressed with their customer service to this point. whether or not the quality of the garment is up to the service is yet to be seen. but so far so good.
     
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    regularjoe Senior member

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    How much extra is the full canvas for Black Lapel?
     
  4. pickleweed

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    i believe it was 200. is proper suit fully canvassed? its hard to make heads or tails of the details from the website. if it is, then i suppose the prices are pretty equitable. maybe better since i think they have more fabric options and travel to take measurements. but im pretty reluctant to lock myself into a deposit without seeing what options are even available.
     
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    I believe that it's an extra $200 for full canvas, putting the two at around the same price ($700 vs $750) when comparing full canvas suits.
     
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    katabatic Senior member

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    Yes, all suits from Proper Suit are fully canvased. I agree that their website needs some work, but you can find that on this page -- http://propersuit.com/customization
    They didn't used to be -- until last year half canvas was standard, and full canvas was a $125 upgrade.
     
  7. K to Wall St

    K to Wall St Active Member

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    I have my first fitting appointment with proper suit in a few weeks and am a little aprehensive about not knowing the options at each price level. I know they advertise Zenga and Loro Piana quality at $1,250 and $1,850, but does anyone have a comparable OTR retail brand for something in their $850-$1,000 range? How would those compare to BB suits (at similar price point) for example?

    If I have a fairly average frame (dont usually need a lot of tailoring), will I actually get better bank for my buck OTR instead of MTM?
     
  8. jgeldner

    jgeldner Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you'd get better value out of OTR. My suits from ProperSuit (I've said before, but I have 2), compare well above their cost against retail. For $800 retail, you're getting hugo boss or maybe BB 1818. Those are either half canvassed or fused, with low to mid range fabric. From ProperSuit for the same money, your'e getting full canvas with a similar fabric. Their entry level fabric is nothing special, but it is plenty nice - soft, smooth, and has lasted me a year of 1-2x/week use with no signs of wear, though it is no-name Chinese wool.

    I was very happy when my first suit came in fabric, fit, and construction were comparable to mid-high level OTR (i'm thinking Canali or Pal Zileri mainlines), and the cost was significantly less than sale prices for those OTR brands (especially for me - I tend to need tailoring miracles worked on everything because my shoulders are very wide and one is very low). My tailor wasn't blown away by any means (contrary to what seems to be the standard internet suit review), but was surprised at the price $650 (it's $750 now for entry level). He said he'd expect to pay about double for something of comparable quality - I'd agree with that assessment.

    Again, no affiliation with Proper Suit, just a happy customer who occasionally has a drink with their folks when they're in town and I'm not buying a suit.

    Where are you located? Anyone in DC is welcome to contact me by pm to take a look at an example of their work (I don't think I'll get overwhelmed by requests for this, but I'm happy to oblige a few)
     
  9. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    As far as fabrics, Proper Suit had plenty of them to offer a month or so ago at their San Francisco appointments. That being said most of the guys I saw coming and going either picked up or ordered a fairly basic Charcoal or Navy and they looked great. The value at $750 is remarkable and as jgeldner said, above ^, easily worth double that compared to somewhere like Nordstrom. Most of all, you get their suits cut to your shape so hard to fit issues are addressed (large thighs, longer or shorter body, etc..) as well as the option to add custom like features (ticket pockets, 3-2 roll, choice of lining, etc.).


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  10. katabatic

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    I thought I spotted you talking to them when I was there on 2/4. Are we going to see a Proper Suit feature on abitofcolor?
     
  11. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Yes, I will be posting a review on my blog and will have feed back here on SF. It is impressive that there are options like Proper Suit now for a guy to get a great suit at a great value. Best of all cut to fit.

    I ordered a sport jacket and ticked all the boxes (3 patch pocket, 1/4 lining, suede under the collar, 3-2 roll and Loro Piana cashmere/wool blend fabric, etc..) I'm looking forward to the results. Like I say, I was impressed with the suits that guys were picking up. They all looked great.
     
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    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Here are pics of some of the jacket options in case you don't need a suit.

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  13. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Here are buttons you can select

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    Lining material you can select:



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    Here was a customers jacket ready to be picked up. With full canvas and the quality of the material at $750, this is about half price what Nordstrom sells it's non-canvas or half canvas suits for (i.e. Hugo Boss, etc.) So the value is there as well as the fit. i was impressed.


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    Try on jackets at the appointment:


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    Very interesting, in the UK Moss do a bespoke service and have the garment made in China and undercut all competitors. I had a shirt made by them and it wasn't perfect by any means but it wasn't bad for the price.

    Do ProperSuit do something similar, or are they cutting price by offering a limited range of fabric?

    I've had very mixed results from Hugo Boss and generally believe even their 'Selection' range (Italian) is over
    Priced for the quality, the materials are great but canvass isn't a d makes a reconstruction tough.

    I like Armani and RL Black label.
     
  15. katabatic

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    They are made in China, but they certainly don't have a limited range of fabric - it does seem to be pretty wide; I've had a chance to check out their sample books twice now. If you've seen the sample book photos Kent Wang has posted recently, they look pretty similar.

    Although....they sent out an announcement of their new spring & summer fabric options by email 6 weeks ago, but with no details. When I asked for info about what fabrics they were carrying, etc... I got a rather odd reply:


    Quote: So, basically your only option is to book an appointment and see them in person. Certainly not an unusual business model, but a bit disappointing if you want to be able to re-order easily without a once-a-month appointment.

    I'm unfortunately still waiting for the remake on my jacket - for the suit I ordered in December.
     
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