What's with the aversion to padded shorts? My road bike has a hard, but extremely well shaped seat (oh man how that could be taken out of context quickly...). If I didn't wear padded shorts I don't think I'd be able to continue my family's lineage. A. I rather wear regular shorts and have a more padded seat than use padded bike shorts and have a stiff seat. And if you are expecting this forum to be mature enough not to take that completely out of context, you came to the wrong forum. Jon.