Better days...????

[Alter]

The thread that was started to appeal for the return of aportney has been "moved"- which seems to mean deleted.

What's up?

 

[AlanC]

There was a troll who had begun haunting it, and I think the mods saw it as a breeding ground for discontent. Probably best to let it go, although it may yet bear fruit...

 

[Alter]

Originally Posted by Alter

The thread that was started to appeal for the return of aportney has been "moved"- which seems to mean deleted.

What's up?

Thanks for the clarification; I missed the troll-fest.

Hopefully aportney realizes he is missed around these parts, though.

 

[j]

Originally Posted by Alter

Thanks for the clarification; I missed the troll-fest.

Hopefully aportney realizes he is missed around these parts, though.
It's back sans troll.

 

[sysdoc]

Removing this thread even temporarily simply stinks! It contains more positive energy than any other thread ever posted at SF! Maybe the moderators aren't capable to see that because they are so busy covering their rear end after the "blabbermouth" and the "we have to consider those members with commercial interests" issues. The mere consideration of a removal of this thread is simple proof for heavy-handedness, lack of sensitivity and, I'm afraid to say, paranoia or hysteria. I suddenly find myself understanding Andrew's issues with SF and its moderation.

 

[Steve B.]

Removing this thread even temporarily simply stinks!

It contains more positive energy than any other thread ever posted at SF!

Maybe the moderators aren't capable to see that because they are so busy covering their rear end after the "blabbermouth" and the "we have to consider those members with commercial interests" issues.

The mere consideration of a removal of this thread is simple proof for heavy-handedness, lack of sensitivity and, I'm afraid to say, paranoia or hysteria.

I suddenly find myself understanding Andrew's issues with SF and its moderation.

The reason it was moved was because of a troll who specifically attacked APortnoy...

I moved it because I can't ban. Once the banning occured, it was moved back.

I made the blabbermouth remark. I apologized for it both publicly and privately to Andrew. Last I heard in IM we were having a drink next time I get to NY and letting bygones be bygones.

Moderating is no easy job; most at other sites are more heavy-handed and don't apologize.

If you have issues with this site, it's a free country, and don't let the screen door hit you ********** on your way out.

 

[j]

Originally Posted by sysdoc

Removing this thread even temporarily simply stinks!

It contains more positive energy than any other thread ever posted at SF!

Maybe the moderators aren't capable to see that because they are so busy covering their rear end after the "blabbermouth" and the "we have to consider those members with commercial interests" issues.

The mere consideration of a removal of this thread is simple proof for heavy-handedness, lack of sensitivity and, I'm afraid to say, paranoia or hysteria.

I suddenly find myself understanding Andrew's issues with SF and its moderation.
Talk about paranoia.

Sysdoc, I appreciate your contributions to this forum at least as much as anyone else does, but your constant overreaction really detracts from that presence here. I really don't understand it in the least.

Steve's move was totally appropriate within current guidelines as he cannot ban people and didn't want YOUR thread to get derailed into a flamefest. He exercised his best option, and the thread was back within a very short period of time. We are working out better guidelines for moderation, but in the meantime, you're going to have to deal with the reality of fallible individual humans making judgment calls.

 

[bengal-stripe]

Originally Posted by sysdoc

The mere consideration of a removal of this thread is simple proof for heavy-handedness, lack of sensitivity and, I'm afraid to say, paranoia or hysteria.
sysdoc: Stop stirring the pot!

First Witch
Round about the cauldron go;
In the poison'd entrails throw.
Toad, that under cold stone
Days and nights has thirty-one
Swelter'd venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i' the charmed pot.
ALL
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and cauldron bubble.

 

[mussel]

Sysdoc, just calm down, J and SB were right. There's a troll attacking Andrew, SB was doing what he could at that time for Andrew's benefit and to prevent your own thread from elevating into a flamefest.


P.S. I have to confess I always enjoy a good old-fashioned flamefest, it's kind of guilty pleasure

. But not at Andrew's expense.

Boy, the Secret Squirrel forum is such a treasure trove, I don't mind paying to subscribe to it. J, you should sell access to the SS forum to raise money.

 

[Teacher]

Originally Posted by bengal-stripe

sysdoc: Stop stirring the pot!

First Witch
Round about the cauldron go;
In the poison'd entrails throw.
Toad, that under cold stone
Days and nights has thirty-one
Swelter'd venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i' the charmed pot.
ALL
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and cauldron bubble.

 

[AlanC]

I think the mods acted appropriately here. The troll needed to be expunged.

 

[Teacher]

Man, I'm missing all the action nowadays. Need to check in hourly! Ah, probably best I don't....

 

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Teacher

Man, I'm missing all the action nowadays. Need to check in hourly! Ah, probably best I don't....

welcome to my world. every morning i wake up and there is a big thread about how some flame war had to be dealt with and someone banned and now its over and can we all move on and thank goodness that... etc etc damn timezones.

 

[Tomasso]

Originally Posted by sysdoc

Removing this thread even temporarily simply stinks!

It contains more positive energy than any other thread ever posted at SF!

Maybe the moderators aren't capable to see that because they are so busy covering their rear end after the "blabbermouth" and the "we have to consider those members with commercial interests" issues.

The mere consideration of a removal of this thread is simple proof for heavy-handedness, lack of sensitivity and, I'm afraid to say, paranoia or hysteria.

I suddenly find myself understanding Andrew's issues with SF and its moderation.

You do know that you're my Hero, Doc.

 

[j]

In response to this thread and other recent moderation concerns, I'm going to start a "transparent moderation log" thread in General Chat. Moderators will update the thread when any moderating action is taken such as moving a thread out of public (at least, on a thread with any content - I don't think they need to waste their time with the plain old spam threads).

We will try that for a while, and if that doesn't work, maybe we will just give up on the free speech and go to a system where threads and people disappear and then any subsequent discussion of the disappearance disappears as well, and you just never get any explanation. That seems to work well for some boards.