Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by BullionBro, Nov 22, 2012.
I want to buy several suits to add to my wardrobe. I am looking for made to measure under $600.
IMO its better to have a few good, well-made bespokes than many MTMs.
I want to purchase 4 suits to start with. Bespoke sounds expensive for me. Well over $1000. I am new to this so not sure.
Does anyone make high quality made to measure suits?
Something reliably good under $600, locally in the Western World, probably not.
Brooks Brother MTM might be an option, around $1000.
Regardless, buying several MTM suits at once is a bad idea. Because if one is disappointing, most likely the others will be. MTM and bespoke are somewhat trial-and-error, usually improving after the first try by a maker.
As the previous poster stated, your pricing point is completely wrong. $600 retail for RTW (Suit Supply is a good benchmark - half-canvassed range), around $1k MTM and upwards, and most definitely upwards of $1k bespoke.
Couple of questions:
1. How many suits do you currently own?
2. What is the intended purpose for buying suits?
3. Why MTM as opposed to RTW?
4. Have you read the SF101 on suiting?
Your requirement "high quality made to measure" for under $600 is not realistic. Indochino may provide online MTM but peruse the Inochino thread and judge for yourself.
What is "high quality" to you? Construction? Materials? Handiwork? Are you in a position to be able to evaluate quality and the trade-offs as you up or lower your budget?
Since you mention that you are "new" to this, if your measurements can be serviced by RTW, then stick to RTW for say your first 2 suits (if you have a total budget of $2,400 - buying x2 RTW suits leaves you with $1.2k to research MTM options, and gives you time and a little more experience to articulate your requirements).
Depending upon your requirements, charcoal / dark grey and navy RTW (solid, functional suits), then explore MTM. There are too many threads containing poorly fitting MTM suits because either:
1. People believe they need MTM or bespoke
2. No / little experience of suiting
3. Choose tailor based on [lowest] price without understanding trade-offs
4. No knowledge of what constitutes fit
If you really wish to go the MTM route and/or have measurements that cannot be serviced via RTW, far better to halve the number of suits - thus doubling your budget for each MTM suit ($1.2k). Read the SF101s, read the numerous posts on MTM, read putthison blog (especially the guidance on fit), and post where you live so people can provide you with MTM options and price.
You also need to consider house style i.e. whether the pattern block suits your physique, plus other 'house' construction and styling options.
If you like and would suit the early sixties English mod look this might work for you.
Kent Wang $750, and get one less suit.
I was about to post the same.
My advice is to go to one that has a physical presence that will be responsible for fitting.
The "enter your measurements" type of solution don't seem to work very well for people with unusual fits. I take that back, a little anyway. Where people have an excellent fitting garment that they send to the company to copy, the results seem to be pretty good.
Also depends on where you are.
I'm in the midst of acquiring a new suit wardrobe, and after 2 misses with m2m, I found a tailor who bench makes suits and who has a m2m business as well. He spent an hour measuring me, writing adjustment notes, measuring head angle, shoulder angle, etc....and that was after an hour spent selecting styles and fabrics. He also looked at 2 suits that I wore in, hated both, and put me with his alterations dept to improve the fit for me, since I aint throwing them away.
If you have any unusual fit issues, please start with a tailor, and after that if you want that suit copied, go m2m.
OTC Tailor on this forum does m2m, Elite Suits are on (Simon) and always have a deal on fully canvassed suits, usually well within your budget.
So at a minimum go with an "assisted" m2m option like propercloth, astor and black, Tom James, indochino, etc if you don't have a great fitting suit already. There are many more who have folks who measure you in their store or pop up, or have individual stylists to work with you. I've tried that with J. Hilburn, and while it came out better than the first 2, the tailor provided product is better, though close to double the Hilburn price.
I have always thought I was buying decent suits by getting a HSM or a HF at Dillards or nordstroms. However, as I've realized since I've been coming here, I didn't really know how things should fit properly and the clerks in those stores basically look at shoulders, and is it tight when you button it. Collars gaping, lapels flaring, etc were never discussed. So, even if you think you have something that fits well, post photos on here first and your bubble will likely burst.
I have been learning about proper suiting and the best way to do it on a budget. I have a few questions and thought this would be the forum to ask:
I see a lot of sharp suits out there that fit well, but every once and a while I see one that has a shoulder way above and beyond the norm. A shoulder that lets the arm drape so crisp and naturally. I know this is general - but what makes the difference between a $5,000 suit shoulder and a $500 suit shoulder, and how do I get one on a budget?
Any idea of the quality of Kent Wang vs Suitsupply?
Any idea of the quality of Black Lapel vs Suitsupply?
Any idea of the quality of Indinchino's premium options vs Suitsupply?
Any idea of the quality of Garrison Bespoke vs Suitsupply?
As you can see, I use Suitsupply as my benchmark. I've been buying their stuff for a while now but as they become more commercial and popular in my area, I am looking for another way to differentiate myself. I don't wear suits everyday but when I wear one I want it to be know that my attention to detail is second to none.
Thanks in advance for all your help!
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