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Best Mid-Range Suit? JAB Sig Gold? Jack Victor?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by afuturestrader, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. phxlawstudent

    phxlawstudent Senior member

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    Thanks for the suggestion.

    Where can Hugo Boss Selection (hand tailored, as suggested by phxlawstudent) be purchased for roughly $500? I would like to take a look at one.

    What is the styling of Hugo Boss Selection?


    The Vegas outlet had last season's BSHT for around $400? I forget, it wasn't too bad. Maybe it was $800... I know! huge difference, but it wasn't important to me.

    Either case, the selection was crummy, only two patterns and no staples.
     
  2. phxlawstudent

    phxlawstudent Senior member

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    Rant:

    I really hate the guesswork that goes into determining which garments are fused, half-canvas, or full-canvas. It's one of the most important aspects of construction. Why isn't it automatic for vendors to disclose?

    I realize that the "pinch test" can solve the issue, but this does not help for those buying over the internet, or for the uninitiated.


    Just go off this list and you'll be okay.

    http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...&postcount=100
     
  3. othertravel

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    Where can Hugo Boss Selection (hand tailored, as suggested by phxlawstudent) be purchased for roughly $500? I would like to take a look at one.

    What is the styling of Hugo Boss Selection?


    Boss Selection is a great value for $500. I'd check out ebay, but also the outlet stores. I can send you pics of the 2 Boss Selection suits I have (they tend to hew towards the "classic look" (i.e. Mad Men style 3 piece and DB suits, super 120-150 fabrics.

    The Made in Germany ones are by Regent, which is considered one of best garment houses in the world (comparable to Brioni?).

    The made in Turkey ones are good two, and use reputable fabrics.
     
  4. porcelain monkey

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    May be the upper end of the price range, but Brooks Brothers 1818 have served me well (Fitzgerald for me). Can often be had for $500 to $600 on sale. Less if you get lucky in your size or at an outlet.
     
  5. afuturestrader

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    Boss Selection is a great value for $500. I'd check out ebay, but also the outlet stores. I can send you pics of the 2 Boss Selection suits I have (they tend to hew towards the "classic look" (i.e. Mad Men style 3 piece and DB suits, super 120-150 fabrics. The Made in Germany ones are by Regent, which is considered one of best garment houses in the world (comparable to Brioni?). The made in Turkey ones are good two, and use reputable fabrics.
    I am about 5 minutes from an Off-5th and Barney's outlet. In the recent past I have noticed Hugo Boss in both stores. Whether any staple solids were present I cannot recall. However, what does one look for on the label to avoid 100% fused and get half canvassed? It is as simple as looking for only "Hand Tailored" and "Selection" and avoid anything without both statements?
     
  6. phxlawstudent

    phxlawstudent Senior member

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    It is as simple as looking for only "Hand Tailored" and "Selection" and avoid anything without both statements?

    Yes. It must say both, otherwise its fused.

    Or, you can become self sufficient and learn the pinch test.
     
  7. othertravel

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    I know it's a little confusing, but here is the breakdown as of last month:

    Boss Selection (Tailored Line): Is their MTM line and is fully canvassed but it's also expensive (2-5K?). Only a few locations offer it and it comes from Germany. I don't think their NY location offers it, but the Chicago store does.

    Boss Selection: Is their OTR line and is half-canvassed (the 'pinch test' confirms this). You can find good deals on this line during sales and on ebay. I regularly see them on sale for 500-600.

    As I said, I have experience with both, and they're equally great.

    Boss Black: Fully fused.

    If you go to the Hugo Boss store, just ask them to direct you to the Boss Selection suits. They can even show you how to find the half canvass in the suit to confirm it.

    Unless they're having a sale, I'd say try the outlet stores.

    Hope this helps.
     
  8. phxlawstudent

    phxlawstudent Senior member

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    Well, my experience is different. The Boss Selection still has fusible in the upper half. Agreed that their hand tailored options are fully canvassed.

    I cannot speak for Boss, but those are my findings. It would not surprise me if some of their Selection has fusible, and some does not.

    Regardless of the fusible I found, its still more "constructed" than their black label. Its also possible that the floating piece is much higher than where I pinched.
     
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    Excuse my ignorance but where can I find information that describes how suits are put together, i.e. half/full canvased and fused suits?
     
  10. othertravel

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    One thing that I give Hugo Boss ample credit for is how good their suits look. The construction won't match up to a caruso, Isaia, Canali, etc... but their suits are aesthetically pleasing. I get the most compliments when I wear my Boss suits (and chicks really dig it for some reason!).

    Interesting note: unlike the other luxury lines, Hugo Boss clothes for men are actually marketed towards women. They did a study that found most shopping for mens clothes is done by women (wives, gfs), so their mens clothes are are advertised in ways that are appealing to women. Smart strategy.
     
  11. phxlawstudent

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    One thing that I give Hugo Boss ample credit for is how good their suits look. The construction won't match up to a caruso, Isaia, Canali, etc... but their suits are aesthetically pleasing. I get the most compliments when I wear my Boss suits (and chicks really dig it for some reason!).

    Sad, yet so true. Great suits to wear clubbing/bar hopping. No one can tell its fused. And since they'll only last a few years, you get to get a new suit once it falls apart! Keeping up with fashion! [​IMG]
     
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    Excuse my ignorance but where can I find information that describes how suits are put together, i.e. half/full canvased and fused suits?
    Found the answer to my question. If anyone is interested, here's a few links that describes the difference between fussed and canvas suits. Fused vs. Canvassed Suits Explanation of full canvas, half canvas and fused suits
     
  14. Ultra-Violence

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    I really like my TM Lewin navy 2-button suit. I got mine for $250 on sale with a coupon, free shipping, and VAT subtracted when not in the UK/Europe. Some pluses are that they do in-between sizes (39", 41", etc.) and separate trousers if you have a higher/lower than average waist drop or want a spare pair. The shoulders are pretty structured and the waist is a bit more suppressed than a more conservative suit but overall looks good on a slender or athletic-built man.

    The main downside is that you can't try them on in person unless you live in the UK but I've had no problems returning shirts to them for free, my suit even shipped from L.A. so there is no chance of customs charges.
     
  15. afuturestrader

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    I really like my TM Lewin navy 2-button suit. I got mine for $250 on sale with a coupon, free shipping, and VAT subtracted when not in the UK/Europe. Some pluses are that they do in-between sizes (39", 41", etc.) and separate trousers if you have a higher/lower than average waist drop or want a spare pair. The shoulders are pretty structured and the waist is a bit more suppressed than a more conservative suit but overall looks good on a slender or athletic-built man.

    The main downside is that you can't try them on in person unless you live in the UK but I've had no problems returning shirts to them for free, my suit even shipped from L.A. so there is no chance of customs charges.



    Thanks for the suggestion.

    Are TM Lewin suits canvassed, half-canvassed or fused?

    How does one get their coupons and/or find out about their specials? How often do they run them?
     
  16. ChicagoRon

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    I saw a stack of HF at NM Last Call in Gurnee today. Reg Price is $600 - there were a few marked down to $400. One was navy (40L)

    They also had a ton of Zanella pants for $180

    And I believe everything in the store was addl 25% off, although I'm not positive it would have covered the suits.
     
  17. Grigory

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    Are TM Lewin suits canvassed, half-canvassed or fused?

    How does one get their coupons and/or find out about their specials? How often do they run them?


    I have both TM Lewin and Jack Victor suits. Lewin's fabric is inferior to Jack Victor. But TML suit fit slimmer. TML suits are obviously not fully canvassed. Difference between half-canvassed and fused suit unfortunately is beyond me. But overall quality of TML is nothing to write home about. I would prefer Jack Victor.
     
  18. Nick de Sylva

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    It would be nice if Jack Victor came of age like that other Canadian suit company, Samuelsohn, and offered MTM (with a little bespoke thrown in for repeat business).
     

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