Best deep freeze winter cardigan ever?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Reevolving, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. MyOtherLife

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    I just want to add, Reevolving - perceptions aside on whether these seem feminine or not to you, if you get a chance, I encourage you to try to get your hands on one and try it on. The real deal ones, not the thin cotton ones. Chunky, multi-ply, made from lambswool, camelhair, or cashmere. Scottish born. Wait till you have a very cold early morning, and put it on for ten minutes. You'll see what I mean by how warm it is. You could save yourself some money by just not having to heat your home as much during the winter (may take a few years to make back what you pay for the cardigan, but point remains ...)
     
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  3. Reevolving

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    No pun intended ?
     


  4. Reevolving

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    I paid $250 for the JCrew cardigan I ordered today. It is 100% cashmere. I decided it was the only one that was sleek enough to wear in a business attire setting. In terms of justifying the cost, this non-chunky cardigan can be worn at the office, out socially, in bed, or while watching a movie at home. B/c of the versatility of this particular article, I can justify $250. As far as it being "junk", I find my experiences do not match those of SF regulars. They talk of exploding shoes after 2 wears and such. They say Banana Republic is "total crap", etc.

    In fact, my last cardigan was from BR. I paid $100 for 85% cotton & 15% cashmere. This was in 2007. It was more than I typically spent on clothes at that age. I have worn the living shit out of this garment, and it's still going strong. I've worn it on dates, to work, at home, in bed, and even at the gym. The sleeves stretched after 4 years, but I slimmed them down myself. Took a few minutes, and good as new. I could not be more thrilled with this product. Meanwhile, most here would immediately dismiss it as "crap". If JCrew quality can even come close to BR, I will be more than a happy customer.


    I wonder if they make the same margins on all products. Don't overlook the possibility that certain items may be loss leaders or low margin items. Once you've got free shipping, you order other stuff. I also ordered a shirt and jeans in the same order. 2 things that are guaranteed high margin items. I will report back if this $250 cardigan is unsatisfactory to a "regular guy" (vs. an SF type)
     
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  5. Reevolving

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    Sorry, but the above left just looks terrible to me, in every way.
    Baggy Walmart fit and it looks like he's wearing his wife's sweater. No, his mother's.
    I'm glad it works for you, but the JCrew look on the right is what I'm going for.
     
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    This will provide less warmth than long underwear. This post is really about the selection of a fashionable Autumn cardigan.
     
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    teddieriley Senior member

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    Wait, you smell that?
    "I have worn the living shit out of this garment, and it's still going strong. I've worn it on dates, to work, at home, in bed, and even at the gym."

    What a slob. How often do you clean your garments? And why are you too cheap to pay for heat?
     
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    +1

    I own a zip-front, 8-ply Scottish cashmere cardigan by Johnstons of Elgin that I wear daily in the winter for exactly this purpose, to cut my heating bill. It has a micro-cable knit look that would probably make it too feminine for Reevolving and it's not especially soft, but neither is it scratchy. It's also exceptionally durable and shows no signs of pilling after 2-3 years of constant winter wear. IIRC, I paid about $350 for it from STP, discounted from the claimed retail price of ~$850. IMO, it's the best sweater I own, better than Brooks Brothers or RL Purple Label, and one of the best clothing buys I've ever made. I highly recommend monitoring STP for sweaters, since they always have cashmere sweaters of various styles by Johnstons (cardigans by Johnstons seem to be rare, though).
     


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    I didn't understand the SF fixation on "only buy good cashmere" until I scored a fabulous cable knit Brooks Brothers piece for a song on Ebay. It's amazingly warm, soft, hasn't pilled in the two years I've had it thus far and gets more wear than all my other low rent cashmere sweaters by far.

    I've picked up a couple others from Johnstons, Loro Piana, and some of the other high quality brands and I can really tell the difference between them and the rest of the flock.
     
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    the solution is to buy 3 Kitons - one your size, the next one +1 and the last one +2, and then layer all three :teach:
     


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    Reevolving,

    Why did you get that cardigan if the title of this thread (which you created) is "Best deep freeze winter cardigan ever?" That is hardly a suitable winter weight cardigan based on the picture provided by J.Crew.
    +1 for STP. I just bought a Johnston's cashmere crew neck for ~$175 discounted from $495.
     


  13. Hayward

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    Not a big cardigan fan per se. The full zip turtleneck ski sweater has served me better. My favorite for regular wear is the Ibex Shak. The wool they use wears like iron. I wish they made v-necks out the stuff.
     


  14. Reevolving

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    You're referring to a $1100 item. No thanks. And I don't do used sweaters.
    http://www.johnstonscashmere.com/index.php/us/mens/sweaters/10-ply-cashmere-cable-turtle-neck.html

    $250 for a sweater is about my limit.
    Most normal people in the real world, including myself, find JCrew and BR to be of highly satisfactory fit, durability, and quality.
    I will report back my experience with the JCrew $250 cashmere cardigan.

    And yes, I ultimately decided on a fashionable (and more versatile) Autumn cardigan, not a deep freeze outfit.
    If decided if I need a deep freeze outfit, I will continue to layer on a few $10 thermals and flannel shirts.
     
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  15. n-domino

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    If your limit is $250 then why don't you check out some of the Johnstons sweaters on STP? They are currently $313.95 but have an additional 20% off which would bring them down to $251.16. With that said, there are only crew necks and v-necks to choose from.

    As for durability, I too, have experienced variable quality in some knitwear from J.Crew. I currently have a merino wool sweater from them, so we'll see how it holds up.

    Speaking of quality, I was given a navy blue Ballantyne cashmere v-neck from my grandfather that was gifted to him by my grandmother on their first anniversary. It didn't fit him anymore so now it's mine. The sweater is over 50 years old and there are no holes, pilling, or rough spots. If that isn't a testament to its quality, then I don't know what is.
     


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