Grand Luxe Cafe has a great "Max Burger." The meat is topped with short rib. Excellent. The Counter in Santa Monica has a great burger. Chili's, generally, has a great burger. Hodad's in San Diego has one of the best burger I've had in a while. Burger Lounge in La Jolla is great as well. I agree that for everyday burgers Carls and Chilis do do a pretty good job. The Philly Cheese Steak burger was particularly good. I have to throw in IN n OUT to this, although probably a little better and fresher. But the Burger Lounge? I was disappointed with that burger. It lacked much flavor to me. Where is Hodad's, I'll have to give them a try?