strider-- i understand not wanting to buy shoes online, it is definitely not for everyone. I hope you don't make that a rule for apparel, as well-- there are some great deals to be had when you know you wear a size XX brioni, Y in zegna, etc. when you deal with some of the trusted sellers mentioned here in the forum. I understand ehaberdasher is working on getting kiton, attolini, and bumping up brioni in the future, as well. anyways, back to the topic at hand. if you're looking to buy the shoes in person for 900, i think that will take you into the entry level lobbs, which i don't care for as much myself but still nice shoes, or edward greens. just make sure that when you purchase them, you at least get them in another state so you don't pay the tax, and have them shipped to you for about $12. sorry to hear someone had a mixed experience with the seller i recommended-- hope everything worked out in the end. another idea for purchasing your shoes might be the method i used to get my first pair of lobbs-- i gave my name, shoe size, and cell number to Stanley Korshak. I asked that they contact me if any lobbs went on sale in my size. As i result, i had a pair of Farndon shoes for about $550, a superb deal. you might want to contact Stanley Korshak, Wilkes Bashford, Saks in new york city, etc. (don't waste your time providing this info to the lobb store, i think they purposely rarely-- if ever-- ever have sales) with your info, let them know you want a nice black laceup.