Berg and Berg

[NassimBandini]

I have this impression B&B hasn't really hit home this season. Their tweed coats sold well but after the sales which wasn't the case the previous time.

People seem to not have gone crazy about the tailoring made in "Europe" while staying the same price.

While, by now, most of their customers should have plenty of trousers, especially since they haven't really renewed them much although they added the Antonello model (not easy to acquire new customers nowadays).

Bargains will still be made at 60% but I feel like they need to find their second win somehow.

What do you all think?

 

[ericgereghty]

I have this impression B&B hasn't really hit home this season. Their tweed coats sold well but after the sales which wasn't the case the previous time.

People seem to not have gone crazy about the tailoring made in "Europe" while staying the same price.

While, by now, most of their customers should have plenty of trousers, especially since they haven't really renewed them much although they added the Antonello model (not easy to acquire new customers nowadays).

Bargains will still be made at 60% but I feel like they need to find their second win somehow.

What do you all think?

I mean, they've taken notable cost cutting measures, whilst increasing prices, particularly on the tailoring side. Not a winning recipe, imo.

I'm somewhat of a mind that B&B hopes to sell things at retail, but really expects to start moving once you hit 20+% discounts.

Their (now years old) choice to, essentially, apply VAT to US customers, and deceive* consumers on the matter, was an unforgiveable and horribly unprofessional choice for me.

*not to insinuate this was done intentionally, but absolutely how it came across to me.

 

[C_kimlin920]

anyone share their Nelson Coat experience? Is it like the Drakes overcoats (which i really like) but the price point is just too high.. Thanks

 

[Naughton]

I am selling two new, unworn, with tags, Arnold (discontinued) flannel trousers, navy and grey, 48.

[Price Drop] Berg & Berg: Grey and Navy Arnold (discontinued) flannels

Two new, unworn, unhemmed, with original tags Berg & Berg flannels. One mid-grey, one navy. Arnold model (discontinued) single pleated with side asjusters Selling as they are both too small for me and the returns period has passed. Both size 48...

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[alfredt]

I have this impression B&B hasn't really hit home this season. Their tweed coats sold well but after the sales which wasn't the case the previous time.

People seem to not have gone crazy about the tailoring made in "Europe" while staying the same price.

While, by now, most of their customers should have plenty of trousers, especially since they haven't really renewed them much although they added the Antonello model (not easy to acquire new customers nowadays).

Bargains will still be made at 60% but I feel like they need to find their second win somehow.

What do you all think?

I don't understand why anybody would buy anything at Berg & Berg at full retail given how often everything is on sale. Last year in their sale they had every colourway of their Arthur/Arthuro model jeans and chinos available in most sizes at 50% off and then launched the new collection a week later including the very same colourways of the Arthur/Arthuro at full retail. I have a fair amount of Berg & Berg items but I don't even start looking at their website until they've reached 50% off because there's no fear of missing out by waiting. Just look at their knitwear sales page now, it's all 40% off and there isn't a single size in any item that is out of stock.

 

[schteekay]

Same. I'll just wait until they further reduce because we all know it is happening at some point.

 

[13.characters]

I agree that it would be great if B&B would start introducing something more interesting. As they mostly do only the elegant / refined basics which are all the same each season for the most part.

Things still can be elegant and refined and contemporary while being interesting. Some wider lapels, different DB cuts, more interesting patterns, etc. Rubato does it great in my opinion - still all the same basics, but I feel all of their items have more to them, more interesting details, etc. This what B&B should try out, maybe in smaller quantities first.

I've skipped this season as well. But you guys sound that you are complaining when there's no scarcity and things are on sale a lot - that's a good thing. If most things reach 60% off, that's better value for us and a fair price. Their regular prices are kind of out there, but at a sale it's still great value. Wish it was more interesting and refined - the effort of making everything safe and timeless it has become a bit boring to me.

 

[Mirage-]

The fact that everything reaches deep sale is not great, it simply means that the stuff is clearly overpriced according to most buyers and nobody is interested at retail price, in fact not even at initial sales.
Which is kind of true for me as well honestly, they don't have anything so unique that warrants such high prices. The tailoring in particular is like 1000€ for a half canvas jacket, 1400€ a suit, hardly great value. And even during the sales, there are better value sales elsewhere imo.
I have a couple of their trousers bought in last year's sales, because they fit me well, but that's about it.

I tried their knits only once two years ago when they had a heavy wool&cachemire polo neck knit, but unfortunately the sizing was off in a strange way, like good on the body, roomy chest, but the seams between the chest piece and the sleeves was somehow hitting my triceps instead of under the armpit, very uncomfortable.
Also, their shirts are too roomy for my taste while demanding a price for which I could get very good MTM and probably even some bespoke.
Outerwear looks fine but again nothing special and overpriced, there are just better alternatives.

 

[Rolf]

While I agree that it’s seems like this season has been slow, the items I had been eyeying barely made the 40% mark in my sizes. Brown cords, herringbone blazer ans most coats already gone in my size.

Should be able to wait for 50% in shirts at least. Love their boxy fit.

 

[13.characters]

The fact that everything reaches deep sale is not great, it simply means that the stuff is clearly overpriced according to most buyers and nobody is interested at retail price, in fact not even at initial sales.
Which is kind of true for me as well honestly, they don't have anything so unique that warrants such high prices. The tailoring in particular is like 1000€ for a half canvas jacket, 1400€ a suit, hardly great value. And even during the sales, there are better value sales elsewhere imo.
I have a couple of their trousers bought in last year's sales, because they fit me well, but that's about it.

I tried their knits only once two years ago when they had a heavy wool&cachemire polo neck knit, but unfortunately the sizing was off in a strange way, like good on the body, roomy chest, but the seams between the chest piece and the sleeves was somehow hitting my triceps instead of under the armpit, very uncomfortable.
Also, their shirts are too roomy for my taste while demanding a price for which I could get very good MTM and probably even some bespoke.
Outerwear looks fine but again nothing special and overpriced, there are just better alternatives.

I don't mind stuff reaching sales. If the problem is the price being too high - that's the problem, not the sales. There are a lot of tactics to get things to sell, making less of things, creating scarcity, etc. I remember B&B made just a few Raglan coats first last season - they all got sold out instantly. Then they re-stocked and they didn't put them on sale. This year I think they just made more, as those are also no longer made in Italy (were made in Italy still back then)

So there are a lot of sneaky and not very nice tactics to get things to sell that brands can implement and not reach sales. Sales aren't the problem in my opinion, the high prices are

 

[Zerase]

They did their best year ever last year (2024)

Berg&Berg Retail Aktiebolag i Stockholm – Info | Ratsit

Berg&Berg Retail Aktiebolag - Org.nummer: 5569719585. Vid senaste bokslut 2024 hade företaget en omsättningsförändring på 54.6%. Fördelningen i styrelsen är 50.0 % män (1), 50.0 % kvinnor (1) . På Ratsit hittar du ✓ Telefonnummer ✓ Adress ✓ Årsredovisning m.m. Alltid uppdaterat.

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If you want to look at the numbers.

 

[Rolf]

They’ve certainly come a long way since I purchased my first sweater from them back in 2014 (so has their prices). The made in Scotland knit is still in use, so can’t complain about value.

 

[garzagrossa]

How do Antonio trousers fit in the crotch/seat area? I have big ass relative to waist and struggle with pants giving me wedgies. Is the back rise long? Anyone can compare to Cavour's Mod 3? I would appreciate some help if someone had similar concerns

 

[St1X]

They did their best year ever last year (2024)

Berg&Berg Retail Aktiebolag i Stockholm – Info | Ratsit

Berg&Berg Retail Aktiebolag - Org.nummer: 5569719585. Vid senaste bokslut 2024 hade företaget en omsättningsförändring på 54.6%. Fördelningen i styrelsen är 50.0 % män (1), 50.0 % kvinnor (1) . På Ratsit hittar du ✓ Telefonnummer ✓ Adress ✓ Årsredovisning m.m. Alltid uppdaterat.

www.ratsit.se

If you want to look at the numbers.

So did Cavour. However I can't wrap my head around how they manage this. You can buy anything from Cavour for 50% off and at that price it's a steal and that's when most of the stock is moved.

 

[DSze9010]

How do Antonio trousers fit in the crotch/seat area? I have big ass relative to waist and struggle with pants giving me wedgies. Is the back rise long? Anyone can compare to Cavour's Mod 3? I would appreciate some help if someone had similar concerns

I have both the Mod 3 and the Antonio in size 52 and the same issue: relatively big butt and small waist. Even though the fits are quite different, I find the Mod 3 fits better. If I remember correctly, the hips measure pretty much the same, however, the Antonio seems to have more fabric in the front and less in the back, compared to the Mod 3. And the Antonio does not have enough fabric in the back and the side seams to accommodate my back side. Unfortunately, the Antonio is pretty much unwearable for me.

I am not sure whether sizing is up an option for me, as I find the leg already quite wide.