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Bentley v Rolls Royce

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by PCabrelli, Jun 8, 2008.

  1. JayJay

    JayJay Senior member

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    Really?

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    This is a huge car that looks much smaller in the pic than it actually is. It is a bit too massive for me, especially as a coupe. I like the looks of it, though.
     
  2. Brad

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    This is a huge car that looks much smaller in the pic than it actually is. It is a bit too massive for me, especially as a coupe. I like the looks of it, though.

    I've not seen the Brooklands in person. But, seeing as how you drive what I would consider a very large coupe, I'll take you word for it. To my eye, it is a beautiful design.
     
  3. JayJay

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    I've not seen the Brooklands in person. But, seeing as how you drive what I would consider a very large coupe, I'll take you word for it. To my eye, it is a beautiful design.
    I have sat in but not driven the Brooklands. Beautiful cars, yet massive.

    Yes, my car is longer than my SUV. It too looks a bit smaller than it is.
     
  4. Southern-Nupe

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    I have sat in but not driven the Brooklands. Beautiful cars, yet massive.

    Yes, my car is longer than my SUV. It too looks a bit smaller than it is.

    If you don't mind me asking, what do you drive? Consequently, the Brooklands is a large car...but I guess that's part of the allure. I remember the first time I saw a Phantom on the road, my first initial thought, was how the car was huge.
     
  5. Southern-Nupe

    Southern-Nupe Senior member

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    There was a exhibition in Vienna's Technical Museum recently: Chromjuwelen - cromejewels. Unfortunately the cromejewels-site, does not work.

    The car was on display: Just amazing...

    IIRC, there are only the two left, which are in the MB museum in Stuttgart.

    MB had a strong appearence in the "old" DTM-Trophy with the 190-2.3-16V. Beginning of the nineties they competed with BMW and Audi and took the trophy in 92 with Bernd Schneider.

    I find it difficult for MB to make a car more beautiful than the original 300SL, but seems as if they've accomplished the task.
     
  6. That Guy Gus

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    This is a huge car that looks much smaller in the pic than it actually is. It is a bit too massive for me, especially as a coupe. I like the looks of it, though.

    It looks similar in length to the Mercedes W111 coupe:

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  8. JayJay

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    I have seen and sat in an MB W111 couple. The Brooklands is larger, but not by much.
     
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    Actually Andrew you have to go several post back to get the point, it was more in reference to the AMG CLK Black edition being MB's recent best possible car for the track.

    If you can think of a better car in their arsenal, please tell.....but I've always thought of them as more of a luxury auto maker.


    AMG CLK BLACK is a ridic track car. Prob the best in their arsenal. They are comming out with the SL black edition. Would love to see how this car does.
     
  10. Shraka

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    I see nothing wrong with an engine which is reliable, runs to 7 grand, posts great torque/ power numbers, and weighs less than some 6 cylinders and most v8's. I'm usually more interested in the engines output, rather than the actual technological design, however the fact the LS7 is composed of titanium, aluminum and has the compression ratio of a highend supercar ....makes me all the more impresssed. Maybe you can find some cons (outside of older technology), but I can't think of too much wrong, with the LS7 design.

    ....and remember, inline engines are a fairly old technology dating all the way back to Ford Model A's. I do agree about inlines being better balanced, however they barely make great applications for performance cars, because of their size and weight (the Supra and M3 are the only exceptions).


    The overall weight isn't a problem. The problem is the length. A longer engine means you have to either have a really long bonnet, or put more of the weight over the front of the front wheels, which makes the balance worse. You always want your engine as close to the center of your car as possible.

    Another reason they are not being used as much anymore is because it is harder to make them meet pedestrian crash regs (due to the long, tall engine being closer to the front being more likely to cause injury).

    The final reason they are not used so much anymore is because you can't easily make them into a FWD application. A lot of sports engines share a heritage with a consumer engine, and if you can't make it front wheel drive nobody will buy your car (with a few exceptions). Not to mention if you're already designing V6s, you already know the pitfalls of those engines, and are more likely to 'stick with what you know' and not start from scratch on an inline 6 sports engine.

    As for Inline 6s being 'old tech', that's not true. They're a layout, not a technology. You can update a layout with new technology.

    There are a few more examples than you mentioned too! Just some off the top of my head:
    - Nissan RB20, RB25 and RB26 engines, the RB26 being included in the Skyline GT-R, one of the leading sports cars from Japan.
    - TVR Speed Six engine in the TVR Cerbera, Tamora, T350, Tuscan, Sagaris and Typhon.
    - Inline 6s were used in Formula one from 1947 to 1960.
    - Ford Australia's DOHC Turbocharged I6

    Also, the ones you did mention: The Toyota Supra 2JZ-GTE is considered by many to be the BEST turbo engines ever developed. It's solid, reliable, and can make LOTS of power without exploding (1000+hp models are almost common). And the M3 is the best, longest lived sports coupes ever. The old M3 engine was brilliant. So you can't tell me they don't make good sports applications.

    An inline six not used for ease and convenience, not because the engine design is bad.
     
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    I have never seen a Rolls of any era that I liked.
     
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    I have seen and sat in an MB W111 couple. The Brooklands is larger, but not by much.

    One is, however, much sleeker.
     
  13. JayJay

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    One is, however, much sleeker.
    Definitely!
     
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    AMG CLK BLACK is a ridic track car. Prob the best in their arsenal. They are comming out with the SL black edition. Would love to see how this car does.
    Yeah, I saw a pic somewhere on the net...the car looked pretty insane.
     
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    Amazing how this thread derailed into some Mercedes-Benz e-organ comparison after linux_pro brayed that Bentleys were for nouveau riche poseurs. Do we want to give him that much power over our judgment? That said, the Bentley coupe, while beautiful, is a bit Footballers' Wives.
    My point wasn't that Bentleys are for nouveau riche poseurs. My point was that Bentleys have NO utility, other than to impress others with your wealth. My secondary point was that I find such utility to be rather vulgar. I used Luis Vuitton as a comparison, because the same thing is true for their products now - there are better purses on the market for different purposes, other than making its owner appear wealthy. For luxury sedans, the Lexus LS460 comes with a better warranty, more features, better fuel mileage, drastically better resale value, better mechanical reliability (the UZ-FE series of V8's are some of the best engines ever made), more passenger space, etc. The same can be said for the Mercedes S-class sedans. I can see no possible reason why one would want a Bentley or a Rolls-Royce over the sedans just mentioned other than to impress others with their wealth. In any other utility comparison (than displaying personal wealth), I'm afraid the Bentley and Rolls-Royce rank far lower than the Lexus. Perhaps there is a reason why so few who can afford one actually drive one?
     
  16. linux_pro

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    I see nothing wrong with an engine which is reliable, runs to 7 grand, posts great torque/ power numbers, and weighs less than some 6 cylinders and most v8's.

    But yet you're dissing my SLK350? That makes no sense. An engine developing 270ft-lbs of torque at 2400RPM, a topend of ~305bhp, and a redline of 6400RPM seems to fit your criteria here.
     
  17. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I used Luis Vuitton as a comparison, because the same thing is true for their products now - there are better purses on the market for different purposes, other than making its owner appear wealthy.


    I disagree. I bought my wife a LV Epi leather purse in black 10 years ago. She has used it almost everyday and it still looks amazing, almost new. It has been a great value in that regard. And in black epi leather it is completely under the radar. Few know what it is.
     
  18. Piobaire

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    My point wasn't that Bentleys are for nouveau riche poseurs. My point was that Bentleys have NO utility, other than to impress others with your wealth.

    Unlike say, this car, which is just full of utilitarian features, like a back seat and a trunk?


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    Well, you are right, it does not scream nouveau riche.
     
  19. linux_pro

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    Agreed. However the post in question seemed to indicate multiple trips to a race track to pit his vehicle against other club members. In fact, his presence is so regular, he invited other posters to come out to witness his awesomeness.

    Actually, you are now following me to other threads to troll my posts, since you lost an argument in another thread in which you attempted to state that leasing a car is cheaper than buying one. I posted an article that showed buying to be a cheaper option, you insulted me numerous times, dropped out of the thread, and are now trolling other threads in which I post. Which is quite lame.

    I said I take my SLK to the track for NASA and PCA events. I sold the Porsche 930 that I owned previously when buying the SLK, but still drive in the PCA events because I like the group. The PCA track events I've attended tend to be fairly casual, with timed laps and friendly competition. The NASA events are always educational, I'm still in the driving instruction, although I could race if I wanted at this point since I am Class III. But I enjoy the structure of the classes, and appreciate what I get to learn there - which I have also used to improve my street driving.

    I also never said I would race people. I once said that if you thought my SLK was weak, we could meet up on I-90 and face off, FOLLOWED BY A LAUGH. I assumed, obviously incorrectly, that anyone seeing this would realize it was intended to be sarcasm. Because, frankly, who over the age of 30 gives a crap if their car is the fastest on the road? I don't. If speed had been my only reason for buying a car, I would have bought a 993 Turbo or the Cayman S.
     

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