Being "Called Out" on Sprezzatura

[sho'nuff]

Originally Posted by Thurston

My own bit of sprezzatura is to leave my fly undone. It hasn't generated a lot of positive buzz, yet.

haha

my new sig

 

[MORNINGSTAR777]

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

If people stopped aping what they saw on SF, there'd be a remarkable decrease in WAYW posts. Personally, I come here for inspiration, and make no claims to be wholly self-invented.

I definitely take idea from this site and adopt them (consciously or otherwise); I don't believe anyone exist in a bubble. However, I would never take such a personal affectation (that may occur due to some genuine nonchalance) someone has, adopt it as my own and then believe it was "sprezzatura". It's the amount of thought processes and calculation that I feel voids the result. How could it be true nonchalance with all that thought? If one decides for example to leave their collar points unbuttoned purely because they admire the aesthetic, that's another thing (which I'm fine with).

How could you ever truly make a check list of do's to achieve nonchalance?

 

[fritzl]

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

Dear God in Heaven...let not my shoes crease!

that's frightening, if not a nightmare.

 

[NakedYoga]

Because of sprezzafuturama, I'm beginning to covet the frays in my 10-year-old BB shirts like the SW&D guys covet their raw denim fadez. +1 or -1?

 

[DocHolliday]

Originally Posted by MORNINGSTAR777

I definitely take idea from this site and adopt them (consciously or otherwise); I don't believe anyone exist in a bubble. However, I would never take such a personal affectation (that may occur due to some genuine nonchalance) someone has, adopt it as my own and then believe it was "sprezzatura". It's the amount of thought processes and calculation that I feel voids the result. How could it be true nonchalance with all that thought? If one decides for example to leave their collar points unbuttoned purely because they admire the aesthetic, that's another thing (which I'm fine with).

How could you ever truly make a check list of do's to achieve nonchalance?

I agree with that -- ticking off a checklist is definitely a case of trying too hard. But the sort of analysis you're discussing is a bridge too far for me. I leave my collars unbuttoned because I like the look and like how it's a bit "don't give a toss." But how would you (or anyone) know my motivation?

I think the secret to this stuff is that you really, genuinely have to be doing it for yourself, and not care what others think.

Originally Posted by NakedYoga

Because of sprezzafuturama, I'm beginning to covet the frays in my 10-year-old BB shirts like the SW&D guys covet their raw denim fadez. +1 or -1?

Big +1.

 

[mack11211]

Originally Posted by Thurston

My own bit of sprezzatura is to leave my fly undone. It hasn't generated a lot of positive buzz, yet.

Au contraire.

 

[kuwisdelu]

Sprezzatura must be effortless. If not, it's just contrived. Sometimes I unbutton my cuffs to roll my sleeves up on hot days and forget to re-button some. To steal a (mis)quote from Foo, sprezzatura, like style, is incidental. You cannot force it. You cannot even attempt it. It. Just. Happens. You can't try wearing French cuffs without a jacket just to be rakish. But if you just happen to find yourself wandering out in the woods in the middle of the night wearing a black fedora, a dove grey herringbone waistcoat, a blue French cuff contrast-collar shirt by Ralph Lauren, and wondering where the hell you misplaced your Incotex while yanking off the used condom--now that is sprezzatura. True story.

 

[bigbris1]

... is taking a knee & letting your kid put his shoe on the other knee when you stop to tie his shoe and not checking to see if it's soiled afterward.

OR letting him or the wife wipe their nose with your square and stuffing it back in your pocket.

OR taking off your tie to clean the bird crap off of her, dampened in the nearby park fountain, then stuffing it in the square pocket.

Afterward I kept moving like nothing ever happened.

No one here has that type of swagger.

 

[Bhowie]

Originally Posted by kuwisdelu

Sprezzatura must be effortless. If not, it's just contrived.

Sometimes I unbutton my cuffs to roll my sleeves up on hot days and forget to re-button some. To steal a (mis)quote from Foo, sprezzatura, like style, is incidental. You cannot force it. You cannot even attempt it. It. Just. Happens.

You can't try wearing French cuffs without a jacket just to be rakish. But if you just happen to find yourself wandering out in the woods in the middle of the night wearing a black fedora, a dove grey herringbone waistcoat, a blue French cuff contrast-collar shirt by Ralph Lauren, and wondering where the hell you misplaced your Incotex while yanking off the used condom--now that is sprezzatura.

True story.

:yawnz:

 

[Helix]

To me Sprezzatura is something that just happens. If you had to think about how it would look, you have crossed the line. Anything else will just end in a sprezz-off runway style ala-zoolander to see who can roll/unbutton/rumple something the most nonchalantly. Of course there is an hour between rounds because looking like you don't give a **** takes a lot of ****-giving right?

 

[comrade]

This thread has imparted to me the self-confidence, nay I say
courage, to go without collar stays in my dress shirts. I feel
positively liberated!

 

[Tramlines]

"Sprezzatura must be effortless. If not, it's just contrived"

I didn't notice whilst rushing around that my chambray shirt spontaneously unbuttoned itself down to my waist. All the female office workers had a giggle before pointing it out to me.

It was awful. It reminded me of my mother telling me to do my shoelaces.