BB Peal double monk wing tip: opinion/information

[DrZRM]

Sorry if this has been covered, I didn't find anything using a basic search.

I'm interested in this shoe, and it does not hurt that I can use American Express points to pay for them with a BB gift card, so free shoes, yea. Are these Peals made by C&J or Sargent (or neither). What's the response to them? Too busy? I must say, I like them.

 

[lee_44106]

I don't like it. All that unnecessary broquing distracts from the simple beauty of the double monk strap. Also, black is just bleh.

And frankly I just don't get this obsession with whether the BB/Peal shoes are made by C&J or Sargent. It ain't handgrade C&J anyway so who cares?

 

[nmprisons]

Originally Posted by lee_44106

I don't like it. All that unnecessary broquing distracts from the simple beauty of the double monk strap.

+1
I generally don't think monkstraps should have anything going on besides the strap. Perhaps a broqued cap or medallion if you insist.

 

[adambparker]

Originally Posted by lee_44106

And frankly I just don't get this obsession with whether the BB/Peal shoes are made by C&J or Sargent. It ain't handgrade C&J anyway so who cares?
QFT. Seriously. Examine the shoe, decide if you like the last shape and styling, decide if the observable elements of construction and the finishing meet your quality standards. Done. The whole point of their being produced for Brooks under the Peal brand is that they are produced to Brooks' standards.

 

[DrZRM]

So it really doesn't matter to you if a shoe is made by Alden, Sargent, C&J, etc., as long as it looks good? It seems like people spend a great deal of time talking about the makers and attributing differing quality to different makers.

Of course I'll go to a BB to try them on first before Dec. 26th, but I appreciate others' opinions. (thanks Lee_44106 and nmprisons). I think this is a good looking shoe, but I also like the simplicity of the C&J Lowndes. As for a black shoe, I've bought so many brown shoes lately, the only black ones I have that get much wear are some Alden longwings, and some AE Tauntons with rubber soles I wear in the rain. I feel like a black double monk is a good shoe to fill a hole. That said, I probably don't need this and the Lowndes.

 

[adambparker]

Originally Posted by DrZRM

So it really doesn't matter to you if a shoe is made by Alden, Sargent, C&J, etc., as long as it looks good? It seems like people spend a great deal of time talking about the makers and attributing differing quality to different makers.

Of course I'll go to a BB to try them on first before Dec. 26th, but I appreciate others' opinions. (thanks Lee_44106 and nmprisons). I think this is a good looking shoe, but I also like the simplicity of the C&J Lowndes. As for a black shoe, I've bought so many brown shoes lately, the only black ones I have that get much wear are some Alden longwings, and some AE Tauntons with rubber soles I wear in the rain. I feel like a black double monk is a good shoe to fill a hole. That said, I probably don't need this and the Lowndes.

Sorry if that came off as a snarky response to your OP. Didn't mean to sound like I was knocking you -- just a general observation about the obsession that goes on around here about C&J vs. AS Peals.

To respond to your OP, I agree that the broguing and the monkstrap conflict and that you'd be better off with the Lowndes, e.g.

To respond to your point above, I do think that the maker matters, but it matters more when you are buying shoes they produce under their own brand, which will have certain characteristic features, in many cases, and much less when you are buying shoes they produce for another brand. Both AS and C&J produce lines of varying quality, and in my experience the Peal-branded shoes are of roughly similar quality in construction and finishing whether they are AS or C&J.

 

[DrZRM]

Fair enough, thanks. And no worries, if we can't comfortably be snarky on the internet, where can we be? Seems like half the fun. Now if only American Express rewards sold Crockett & Jones gift cards...or better yet pediwear.com, ahh to dream. I know what to ask Santa for.

Originally Posted by adambparker

Sorry if that came off as a snarky response to your OP. Didn't mean to sound like I was knocking you -- just a general observation about the obsession that goes on around here about C&J vs. AS Peals. To respond to your OP, I agree that the broguing and the monkstrap conflict and that you'd be better off with the Lowndes, e.g. To respond to your point above, I do think that the maker matters, but it matters more when you are buying shoes they produce under their own brand, which will have certain characteristic features, in many cases, and much less when you are buying shoes they produce for another brand. Both AS and C&J produce lines of varying quality, and in my experience the Peal-branded shoes are of roughly similar quality in construction and finishing whether they are AS or C&J.

 

[rssmsvc]

CJ and really nice, you can email a pic and ask them they almost always respond in under a day.

 

[forex]

It must be CJ,I am pretty positive,however,it looks good in the picture.I didn't like it in person,too busy with all the broguing,I think it is too much for a double monk.I'd go with these:

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatP...lt_color=Black

 

[ManofKent]

It's an interesting shoe, and I'm fast coming to the conclusion that whilst I'm not keen on single monks, doubles are another matter. I can't decide whether the broguing is over the top or whether it makes up for the lack of colour - if they were brown it would definitely be over the top, but in black...

 

[Tarmac]

I thought they looked like something Sargent would make.

But I have to echo a previous statement, the Peals by AS and CJ are almost identical in quality. Depending on your luck you might get a better-made Sargent. Also the Crocketts are the only ones using that horrible cavalry calf, they should be docked points for that.

 

[NoVaguy]

Originally Posted by DrZRM

Sorry if this has been covered, I didn't find anything using a basic search.

I'm interested in this shoe, and it does not hurt that I can use American Express points to pay for them with a BB gift card, so free shoes, yea. Are these Peals made by C&J or Sargent (or neither).

What's the response to them? Too busy? I must say, I like them.

Get the single strap version, and not the double strap version.

Or get a double strap plaintoe/captoe if you can find one. But double strap + wing-tip detailing is not a good look.

 

[Tarmac]

Yeah I love wingtips and I love monkstraps, but I hate wingtip monkstraps.

 

[Percy Trimmer]

I had a pair of an earlier season's version of these which were definitely Sargent and these don't look much different. I was disappointed with the quality and sold them on. I like the style though.

 

[mkarim]

Too much going on in my opinion.