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Baseball playoffs

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by esquire., Oct 7, 2004.

  1. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    Pujols, then Rolen......... Could it be another Cards/Sox series? I just LOVE seeing Clemens blow it...
     
  2. Steve B.

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    Yep- my two favorite players in all of baseball- Jeff Kent and Roger Clemens. [​IMG]
     
  3. esquire.

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    Will this year be considered a success for the Red Sox if they end up losing to the Cardinals in the World Series as long as they beat the Yankees? Last year, the Yankees ran out of gas when they got into the world series because of their series with Boston.

    And, out of all the New England sports teams, which is the most beloved. Let's assume that all the teams were equally bad or good, which ones do the fans really love?

    It seems that in the South, its all about football. And, I believe in NYC, they really love the Knicks more than the Yankees. But, the Yankees win more, so they get a lot of bandwagon fans. I'm still not sure what LA is about.
     
  4. Steve B.

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    Having lived in LA for 10 years (albeit finishing that stint 10 years ago) I'd say only the Lakers.
     
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    "It's better to look good than to play good" must be L.A.'s motto.  Why else would the Lakers dump Shaq and keep Kobe?
     
  6. drizzt3117

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    I think the Sox are the most beloved team, with the Pats a close 2nd, followed by the Celtics and Bruins.
     
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    Alright, I know I'm way late in joining this discussion, but I hope I can ease my way back into good standing with the Forum. I haven't been giving myself enough downtime to waste on the internet as I would like, so let's hope that starts back up. And what better way to get back into the swing of things than...

    RED HOT RED SOX.. 4 games in a row. Freakin' beautiful -- only way to describe that. Goodbye curse. I didn't think about this until reading an article on the game, but ALL 4 Red Sox homeruns in Game 7 went into the section where the Babe called his shot years ago. The Sox are WS-bound. I love the month of October.
     
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    Why didn't the Yankees just bunt against Schilling in game 6, knowing how immobile he was? Yeah, it might be considered cheap, but look at how ARod tried to swipe the ball away. Can't get any worse than that.
     
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    Just had to clear up a misconception that some in the media are trying to create with the Yankees loss. Yes, it was a bad loss but not a devasting loss because we lost to the Red Sox. We measure ourselves by the World Series. So, the loss in 2001 to Arizona was worse than this year's loss. This is different than the Red Sox, who measure themselves in comparison to the Yankees.
     
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    We should try to keep this topical. At this point, the Yankees are as irrelevant to a playoffs discussion as the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.
     
  11. drizzt3117

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    why would it be worse to lose when you are in the world series? losing in the playoffs means you aren't even good enough to represent the AL in the World Series. Never mind that the Yankees suffered the worst collapse in the history of MLB.
     
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    the sox have really come out swinging, have they not. wow. what a hit-fest. [​IMG] sorry to say i haven't been able to watch every minute of the games...i just hope i haven't missed many good plays... /andrew
     
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    To the Yankees, anything short of a world series championship is not good enough. Its like getting awarded second place or third place. Is there really any difference between the two? What matters is that you aren't first. It really doesn't matter that Boston beat us; what hurts is that we aren't champions.

    Compare this to Boston. To them, the curse is over because they finally beat the Yankees, not because they finally won the world series.
     
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    That's a valid point but at worse, you can say that losing the world series to the diamondbacks was the same as losing the ALCS to the sox. I guess there's a fair amount of not good enough lately as NY hasn't won a world series in quite some time.

    Lately, I liken the Sox/Yankees to the Pats/Jets in the late 90s, NE has had more talent and hadn't done much with it, but finally broke through under brady, buried the jets, and haven't looked back since. Of course there is much longer tradition with the yankees, but they are scraping the bottom of the barrel in their farm system and really need to figure something out as they have a huge amount of money sunk into fairly mediocre players at this point.
     
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    Wow Peter- way to twist the knife.

    Likewise, Drizz.

    Their starting pitching is subpar. They could rectify this on the open market. Carlos Beltran might be a pretty good addition too, as would Sosa (maybe too old and prone to petulation), but I don't know where they'd play him. I'd love to see the Giants make a run at Beltran.
     
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    I thought the called shot was in Wrigley Field against the Cubs in the '32 World Series.
     
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    but they are scraping the bottom of the barrel in their farm system and really need to figure something out as they have a huge amount of money sunk into fairly mediocre players at this point. Their starting pitching is subpar. They could rectify this on the open market. Carlos Beltran might be a pretty good addition too, as would Sosa (maybe too old and prone to petulation), but I don't know where they'd play him. I'd love to see the Giants make a run at Beltran.
    The Yankees weren't able to get Randy J because they didn't have the prospects to trade. They can certainly buy superstar players on the open market, but there aren't any good left handed starters on the open market (eric milton, yawn) (al leiter, yawn x 2) I think the Sox will elect to grab Pavano over resigning lowe. Even if the yankees get Beltran, they are stuck with Giambi (who may or may not have much left, and his enormous guaranteed contract), Brown (and the remainder of his contract), Vasquez (and his contract) Loaiza (and his contract) etc... etc... Steinbrenner has alot of money but he's a businessman first and foremost, and throwing $200+ million again is only going to be worth it if they win a world series, and I think it's unlkely unless the yankees get ALOT of left-handed pitching, and ditch some of the hitters. They need to go back to the formula that had them winning in the late 90s, i.e. run creation, with good fundamental players like Paul O"Neill, Leyritz, etc.
     
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    Don't forget Odalis Perez, although even the dodgers don't want to resign him. The Yankees need a lefty for relief, but I don't know if they really need to stockpile leftys for starting. They'd need to if they were battling Boston for the next few years. But, with Lowe and Pedro as free agents, I don't know how well Boston will be. Plus, Schilling will be one year older and you don't how he'll recover from his injury. So, you'd have a weaker lineup than the Yankees and starting pitching not that much better.

    Won't Giambi's contract be covered by insurance if he can't play? Although, I think he would still count towards the luxury tax.
     
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    Schilling has pitched just fine even with the injury, no worries there.

    Boston will likely sign Pavano to replace Lowe and may still bring Pedro back, if not, they will likely replace him with someone else, the $15M they would be paying him will pay for someone else nicely.

    I would disagree with the assertion that NY has a better lineup than the Sox, they scored FAR less runs than Boston in the regular season. If the Yankees get Beltran, you have:

    Jeter
    Beltran
    ARod
    Sheff
    Matsui
    Giambi
    Posada
    Bernie
    Cairo

    against:

    Damon
    Cabrera
    Ramirez
    Ortiz
    Varitek
    Nixon
    Millar
    Mueller
    Bellhorn

    The Yankees have plenty of power, but clutch hitting is absent, also, if they spend $20M for Beltran, they will likely not be able to sign any pitching.

    With Schilling, Pavano, Arroyo, Wakefield, the Sox would have a solid core in pitching, I would certainly put them up against Mussina, Brown, Vasquez, and Lieber (We saw what happened in the WS) If the Sox get Pedro back, it will be even stronger. Also, the Sox have a significantly better bullpen than the Yankees with the exception of Rivera.
     
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    I guess Pedro is the Cardinals' DADDY.
     

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