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Baseball playoffs

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by esquire., Oct 7, 2004.

  1. esquire.

    esquire. Senior member

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    I'm rooting for the dodgers, even though I've resigned myself to a first round defeat to the cardinals. Their pitching isn't deep enough this year, and you won't be able to make all those comebacks against a playoff caliber team with real closers.

    Other than that, I don't really see myself rooting for any specific team to win although I'd prefer if the yankees don't buy another championship this year. But, I'm ambivalent about the red sox. Their fans are the most annoying fans in sports, with their 'oh, woe is me' shreiks. It would be cool if their team won so they would finally shut up. But, its also fun to laugh at them when their team blows up again too.

    I don't really understand boston fans at all. Sure, their baseball team hasn't won since the early 1900s. But, other teams like the chicago white sox haven't won either for a very long time, almost as long as the fabled curses of the red sox and cubs. But, you don't hear the white sox fans complain.

    Besides, Boston is a great sports town, with a history of championships in other sports. They had the Bruins in the 60s, the Celtics win championships with Wilt and Bird, and now they have the Patriots, the last football dynasty.
     
  2. PeterMetro

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    The burden of the Red Sox fan - and I am one - is not that we're bad. To the contrary, it's that we're good. Really good. Just not quite good enough.

    Frankly, I think that Sox fans are the most optimistic in baseball. You don't hear "woe is me" a lot in Boston - it's something that is played up in the press more than in the stands. The press (and the fans of opposing teams) are the ones that dwell on the past. We don't talk about curses or 1918 - we talk about Friday night and if Bronson Arroyo is going to have his stuff. I for one think he will.

    GO SOX
     
  3. shoreman1782

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    What stuff? Â [​IMG] I'm a Phillies fan, and as opposed to Boston fans, I admit that our team is generally not good and there's a lot of woe is me feeling. That said, roots in New England allow me to live vicariously through the Red Sox, so I'll be cheering for them too. Who else am I going to cheer for? The friggin Yankees?? The National League? I don't cheer for leagues, and I hate the Braves and Cards. Go Sox, indeed.
     
  4. Caballero

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    Since my National League team, the Marlins, didn't make the playoffs, I'm rooting for Boston.
     
  5. christian

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    The Yankees all the way. We're going to win the next three games, starting tonight. Brown's going to be wicked tonight.

    Then, we're going to beat the Red Sox in the cruelest fashion possible. We'll let them think they have a chance, before crushing them. It'll be much worse than last year. Boston's curse is this: they're in the same division as the greatest team in sports history. Of course, they won't win a championship when they can't even win their division.

    The reason people don't want us to win is cause they're jealous. George is willing to reinvest the money he makes back into the team. He does everything he can to win. And, what's good for the Yankees is also good for baseball.
     
  6. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    I think Radke will shut down the Yankees tonight, then Santana will slam the door on Saturday. Should be a nice one and done similar to 2002. Sox should win one of the next two, and put away Minnesota fairly easily.

    As for the NL, Cards seem hard to beat right now, but don't overlook the Braves.
     
  7. Ambulance Chaser

    Ambulance Chaser Senior member

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    Red Sox fans, are you gonna take this?  

    I think this is Boston's year to get to the World Series.  If not this year, when?
     
  8. PeterMetro

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    I wasn't going to respond, but you goaded me into it. I think christian is mistaken - the reason people want the Yankees to lose is because their fans say obnoxious things like this:
    First of all, the insecurity displayed in this is clear to anyone reading it. Secondly, I'm happy that the Yankees managed to squeak by a scrappy Minnesota team (touch and go there for a little while). It'll be a marquis series. A series in which I think the Sox match up VERY well. Our starting pitching is unreal: Schilling is dominant in the post season, Pedro will atone, Arroyo looked excellent in Game 3 (by the way shoreman, that's the stuff I was talking about), and Wakefield has dazzles the Yankees. Our line-up is hitting on all cylinders - and coming through in the clutch. Our bullpen let up one big home run, but otherwise has looked very solid. And our chemistry in unrivaled. I feel good (of course, I feel good every year).
     
  9. christian

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    Oh, I do admit that the Sox are going to be tough with the addition of Foulke and Schilling. But, the Sox are also weaker in that Pedro just keeps on getting less dominant each year, Lowe and Wakefield just aren't the winners they were last year. That's why I said it'll appear the Sox will win it, only to lose it in the most heart ripping way possible. Maybe, if the Sox had home field advantage this year, that would have proved the difference maker. The Sox just can't hit outside their home stadium.

    The Sox will lose cause they always find a way to lose. They are losers, while the Yankees are winners. It brings balance to the universe. Its their past, and future. Besides, what would happen to the Sox if they won. Their whole identity would be lost- they'd be just like any other average team. And, their fans would have nothing to sulk about each year.
     
  10. drizzt3117

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    I think the Yankees will find it hard to win if Rivera doesn't come back quickly. He's the key to their team.
     
  11. christian

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    Hey boston fans,

    Who's your daddy?
     
  12. Ambulance Chaser

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    I have hated the Yankees since the Jeffrey Maier incident in 1996, but love watching Mariano Rivera pitch.  He strikes the most fear in the opposition of any professional athlete since the late 80's Mike Tyson -- you know exactly what's coming, but can't do anything about it.
     
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    The really funny thing is how so many players don't use their favorite bats against him cause they don't want to break it.

    How can the Redsox win? In all possible scenarios, I think their fans were counting on Schilling to win all his starts.

    And, do they really think Pedro will pick up the slack? He's already admitted that he's the Yankee's bitch, when he said that 'they were his daddy.'
     
  14. Ambulance Chaser

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    That's true, but the Yankees starting rotation isn't exactly the 1986 Mets.  It's probably the weakest it has ever been since they started winning championships in the mid to late 90s.  And as the Red Sox demonstrated last night, they can score runs in a hurry.
     
  15. esquire.

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    Oh, oh. It looks like you'll never see a Boston champion in your lifetime. This year, they had it all- the pitching, the offense, a closer, good defense. At this point, it looks like they'll lose again to the Yankees.
     
  16. Drew

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    White Sox lifer checking in. Our last Series victory was '17, and our last appearance was '59. We thought '94 was our year, but the Players Union disagreed.

    The Cubs benefit from National media exposure because of WGN and being owned by the Tribune Co. They also benefit from playing in Wrigley Field, the Paris of Ballparks. In the next quarter-century Wrigley will probably have to be torn down, but they will stave it off as long as humanly possible because when they build Tribune Stadium somewhere else in the city, everyone knows how many tickets won't sell. The Cubs do not sell out year after year, Wrigley Field sells out. As well it should.

    I'm not embittered by the vocal North Siders, I'm just floored by the short-sighted idiocy of Jay Mariotti and how sophomoric so many of their fans are. Ozzie Guillen sure has some precious soundbytes, but I would much rather have him than Dusty Baker's constantly coddling 'sensitive' braindead egomaniacs like Sammy Sosa and powder-keg pissants (*rimshot*) like Moises Alou. That said, there are a lot of likable guys and talented players the Cubs have.

    But in spite of their obnoxious woe-is-me, Cowboy Up, 1918 ballyhoo, I am pulling for the Red Sox and a big reason I don't want to see the Yankees buy their way to yet another World Series.

    As a White Sox fan there are no words to express the joy I have at the acquisition of JosÃ[​IMG] Contreras and $3 million in cash for one Esteban Loaiza. Like a Shingo Takatsu change-up, GM Kenny Williams floated through this deal and came out with a pretty good starting pitcher for a flash-in-the-pan journeyman. You may have seen Loaiza warming up in the bullpen or getting shelled by the Twinkies last round. Joe Torre's romanticism over Este-pen certainly greased the wheels of this one--selecting him over Mark Buehrle in the All-Star game to be the lone rep from the White Sox, even. Ah, love is blindness.

    Should the Red Sox get bombed by the Pinstripes, I will be pulling for what looks to be the Cardinals.
     
  17. esquire.

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    Drew,

    That's interesting you mentioned the stadiums. Its a theory of mine that neither Boston nor Cubs will win it all untill they tear down their stadiums.

    The problem with Fenway Park is that Boston GMs always build a team to exploit the dimensions of Fenway. But, when Boston has to play outside Fenway, the same team aren't built for these stadiums. If you look at Redsox BA at home vs. on the road, the difference is huge.

    And, with Wrigley, it sells out no matter how the team is doing. And, for ownership like the Tribune, there's no incentive to put together a great team if the stadium will be full no matter what.

    Myself, I'm just happy that the Dodgers finally won a playoff game since 88.

    And, rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the house to win at blackjack.
     
  18. Steve B.

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    Looks like the Red Sox are going to get swept... [​IMG]
     
  19. esquire.

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    I'm getting sick of all the hype surronding the rivalry between the Yankees and Red Sox. How can it be a real rivalry when the Yankees always end up beating the Red Sox. Instead, a much better rivalry is between the Dodgers and Giants.
     
  20. LA Guy

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    Yep. Not to say it a day early, but losing, and especially to the Yankees, is the Red Sox Manifest Destiny. If all the Yankees players were Red Sox, and vice versa, in exactly the same series, with exactly the same situation, the Yankees would still win.

    However... rooting for the Yankees is like kissing your sister buddy.
     

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