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Barry Bonds one back of Bambino

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Dakota rube, May 8, 2006.

  1. tiger02

    tiger02 Senior member

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    Again, this is why Ruth is hands down better than Barry:

    Yr W L
    1914 2 1
    1915 18 8
    1916 23 12
    1917 24 13
    1918 13 7
    1919 9 5
     
  2. Steve B.

    Steve B. Senior member

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    really?

    It's pretty common knowledge that pitchers of that era couldn't hold a candle to modern era pitchers. Not to mention WWI which diluted the talent further in many of those years.
     
  3. Stu

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    Oi, here comes the standard issue nostalgia. Better than Mays: Ruth, Bonds, Mantle, DiMaggio, Cobb, Gehrig, and Pujols is well on his way. That's just the hitters!

    I don't do humble opinions about baseball [​IMG]
    Tom


    Look at the complete package: arm, hitter for average, hitter for power, defense, speed -- I think Mays comes out ahead of all those guys if you figure inthe complete package, save for the Mick, but since the Mick was injured quite a bit, you'd have to argue the Mick on potential. I mean I think Mantle was actually faster to first base that Mays when he first came up. Plus Mays plays agruably the toughest defensive position, whereas Pujols plays the easiest.
     
  4. Stu

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    Lower pitching mound, having to change balls so often, the age of the individual over the team player, smaller strike zone, crummier umps, better diets training and conditioning. Also the love affair that teams have with the radar gun. The need to throw heat blows out arms like never before and shortens the life of a pitcher. Off speed and junk are neglected but should be appreciated for the mental strategy of the game.


    All good points. I would add new smaller "retro" parks, and expansion which has put more mediorce arms in the league.
     
  5. tiger02

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    really?

    It's pretty common knowledge that pitchers of that era couldn't hold a candle to modern era pitchers. Not to mention WWI which diluted the talent further in many of those years.

    Walter Johnson still gets respect, well deserved. Ruth's pitching+hitting+defense was more valuable than Barry's pitching+hitting+defense.

    Ruth ERA+ for the same years: 68, 114, 158, 128, 121, 102. ERA+ is park- and era-adjusted, with 100 being a league average pitcher in a league average park for the year in question. In 1916 Ruth was 58% better than his average peer pitcher.

    Stu-Win Shares account for defense, albeit imperfectly. Ruth and Bonds are just *that much* better as hitters than anyone else, that it accounts for any difference in defense. I'm too young to have seen it live, but Mays' video clips are some of the most exciting around, I love watching the guy and think he was one of the best. Just don't think he was as good as Ruth, Cobb, or Bonds. Mantle...ah, what could have been.

    Tom
     
  6. whnay.

    whnay. Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think there is a difference also in "best overall player" to which I think Bonds and Mays rank neck to neck and "most dominant or game altering player" which in my view belongs solely to the Babe or possibly Ty Cobb.
     
  7. Film Noir Buff

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    Bonds is now tied with Ruth. This is interesting.

    Meanwhile that Barrett sucker punch of Pierzynski was wild.


    And that Bombers comeback over the Amazins was awesome; as was that tied game last night when Wright slapped that ball over Damon's head.MLB has it wrong, you should play your opposite league rival 12 times a season.
     
  8. whoopee

    whoopee Senior member

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    Pierzynski's known to be a prick. Maybe he deserved it.
     
  9. Tokyo Slim

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    ... is still the most dominant player ever to play any sport in comparison to his peers.
    This is a highly debatable assertion if taken literally. Don Bradman - Cricket: his 20 year career batting average is 63% higher than any other player to ever play the game. Alexandr Karelin - Greco Roman Wrestling: Undefeated for 13 years, no points scored against him for 10 years in world super heavyweight division, three consecutive gold medals in the olympics, followed by a silver after his first ever defeat. 10 consecutive world championships in a sport that has very competitive and large athletes, and in a sport where people normally don't dominate because of frequent injuries. Edwin Moses - Track and Field: Between 1977 and 1987 he won 122 consecutive races and set four world records in the 400 meter hurdles. and Takeru Kobayashi - Competitive Eating: He has never lost an eating contest he has entered *. In the most prestigious eating contest in the world; the Nathan's Famous Hot Dog eating contest, every year he obliterates his opponents by an average of over 18 dogs and buns. He holds four world records in the sport, and usually beats his own record every year. The current records held are the aforementioned hot dog and buns 53 1/2 in twelve minutes, 17.7 pounds of cow brains in 15 minutes, 69 Krystal square burgers in 8 minutes, and 20 pounds of rice balls in 30 minutes. Not bad for a 27 year old 132lb guy from Japan. * vs. a human. as is pointed out later, he lost once to a bear.
     
  10. whoopee

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  11. Film Noir Buff

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    Didnt Kobayashi recently go up against a Bear in a weenie eating contest? The Bear won, but it was a really big bear.

    Most of the Bonds detractors base it on steroid use which there is as of yet no proof for. I understand a lot of people do not like Bonds but i stand for proof, not being damned in the public opinion.

    I have seen a lot of stats posted here that make Bonds and Ruth and Mays or Aaron equal in any one year. What i do not see mentioned are the decade long chunks where Bonds has maintained a variety of record breaking achievements and none of the others on this list have.

    Ruth was an original, Aaron was a brave man and Bonds is disliked. But I think the public hounding him is merely exposing what should be right about the game gone sour. When you see the uninformed noise makers who get on camera and swear up and down Bonds uses steroids, i am teleported back to a time when people were burned at the stake because people swear they saw them speaking to satan.
     
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    This guy might pose a challenge to Kobayashi: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2450250

    Kobayashi faced him in the Krystal Hamburgers contest, Joey Chestnut pulled out into a lead for most of the match, but in the last three minutes, Kobayashi pulled even, winked at him, and then beat him by 7 hamburgers (69 to 62). I think he was toying with him. It was the first time anyone has ever come that close to beating Kobayashi, but I don't think Chestnut has the killer instinct that he needs to defeat someone who can pretty easily eat a sixth of his body weight in food.
     
  13. whoopee

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    Didnt Kobayashi recently go up against a Bear in a weenie eating contest? The Bear won, but it was a really big bear.
    I find this really funny for some reason.
     
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    I find this really funny for some reason.

    Yeah, it wasn't even really that close, though still impressive.
     
  15. Film Noir Buff

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    Barry Hit his 715th last night. Adios Bambino
     
  16. Tokyo Slim

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    Kobayashi broke his own record again today with 53 3/4 hot dogs and buns in 12 minutes.

    Joey Chestnut had 52, but the last two or three minutes he REALLY struggled to keep up with Kobayashi... he appeared to throw up in his mouth a little bit on a couple occasions.

    I'm sure you really wanted to know.
     
  17. Steve B.

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    Especially that part.
     
  18. aportnoy

    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Isa Bonds indictment imminent...?

    Kinda brings a tear to my eye.
     
  19. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Senior member

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    Isa Bonds indictment imminent...?

    Kinda brings a tear to my eye.

    or a smile to my face
     

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