Barbour Bedale or Beaufort

[Chief294]

Just tried on a jacket (40R) under my beaufort (also 40) and it fitted nicely. I believe the beaufort is designed to be quite a loose fit so that you can wear layers underneath.

 

[Chief294]

Originally Posted by matt22616

I've been thinking about getting either the bedale or the beaufort for some time now. I searched around and saw pretty much all of these arguments. Here's the rub: I feel like this is a very country jacket (hence the game pocket). Wearing one over a suit just seems odd to me. If it's raining and you're wearing a suit, wear a trench coat, yes? Now, maybe if you're wearing an odd sport coat/tweed number, I can see it.

Essentially, in two years and change I'll be working for a law firm, where dressing conservatively is important. I shouldn't mix country and city.......right?

I agree. I don't wear mine to work because I think a proper overcoat looks more formal and actually looks better.

Might as well get a barbour for the weekend though, they're great jackets!

 

[lovelux2010]

does anyone else around 5'7 or slightly under have the beaufort? do you find it too long?

i have tried on the bedale and the beaufort..
i do like the look and lenght of the bedale but i'm not sure it would cover a tweed jacket (perhaps it woudl as my jackets cut shorter than the average man) but i'm not sure..

also, which will age better - Sykoil or waxed?..
thx!

 

[Trapp]

Originally Posted by lovelux2010

also, which will age better - Sykoil or waxed?..
thx!

I wonder about this as well. Searching around seemed to indicate that most think the waxed looks worse at the beginning but eventually ages better with wear, whereas the sylkoil looks great out of the gates but doesn't wear as well in the long haul. Some people have said the sylkoil looks better in the long haul as well.

I'm guessing they both look pretty good.

Really, the thread needs pics, esp. fit pics when discussing the relative merits of bedale and beaufort. I have an older original durham that I inherited and love, and want to grab both the bedale and beaufort eventually.

 

[apolishedman]

Originally Posted by lovelux2010

does anyone else around 5'7 or slightly under have the beaufort? do you find it too long?

i have tried on the bedale and the beaufort..
i do like the look and lenght of the bedale but i'm not sure it would cover a tweed jacket (perhaps it woudl as my jackets cut shorter than the average man) but i'm not sure..

also, which will age better - Sykoil or waxed?..
thx!

i tried on the beaufort once and thought that it was a good length to cover a blazer. i also remember liking the game pocket (you could hide all kinds of things in there... beers, champagne, etc.)

 

[lovelux2010]

Originally Posted by Trapp

I wonder about this as well. Searching around seemed to indicate that most think the waxed looks worse at the beginning but eventually ages better with wear, whereas the sylkoil looks great out of the gates but doesn't wear as well in the long haul. Some people have said the sylkoil looks better in the long haul as well.

I'm guessing they both look pretty good.

Really, the thread needs pics, esp. fit pics when discussing the relative merits of bedale and beaufort. I have an older original durham that I inherited and love, and want to grab both the bedale and beaufort eventually.

hello..
i'm set on the beaufort now..but still undecided about sykkoil or original wax. the information i recieved in store at Barbour in London - the girl said both will age equally well (which i doubt is accurate)

the blog with the chap who has both has said the sylkoil one has aged better (looks more "worn" but in a good way) while other souces including some in this forum say the original wax will look silly for first while but will age better than sykoil..

i even emailed Barbour myself but no one has been good enough to reply..

i wonder if original wax the way to go...perhaps sylkoil just a marketing ploy, i mean - as far as i understand sylkoil did not exist and is NOT the "original" formula..

anyways all very confusing putting me off buying one all together, especially as different people at Barbour gave me different answers..no one has a clue

 

[ManofKent]

Originally Posted by lovelux2010

hello..
i'm set on the beaufort now..but still undecided about sykkoil or original wax. the information i recieved in store at Barbour in London - the girl said both will age equally well (which i doubt is accurate)

the blog with the chap who has both has said the sylkoil one has aged better (looks more "worn" but in a good way) while other souces including some in this forum say the original wax will look silly for first while but will age better than sykoil..

i even emailed Barbour myself but no one has been good enough to reply..

i wonder if original wax the way to go...perhaps sylkoil just a marketing ploy, i mean - as far as i understand sylkoil did not exist and is NOT the "original" formula..

anyways all very confusing putting me off buying one all together, especially as different people at Barbour gave me different answers..no one has a clue

The difference isn't in the wax it's in the cotton - the wax is the same.

Sylkoil cotton is uncalendered and hence slightly fluffy, Thornproof (I think that is what you mean by original) uses calendered cotton. Because the Sylkoil cotton hasn't been calendered through rollers, as the wax wears the finish looks 'soft/worn' more quickly, whereas the smoother Thornproof takes longer to show wear. As to which looks better that depends what you want.

The Thornproof is marginally more snag resistant than the Sylkoil, but it's pretty marginal at the same cloth weight, the bigger difference is the thornproof is often available in a heavier cloth weight.

Barbours of the 30's -40's used uncalendered cotton so sylkoil is technically the 'original' finish, in the 70's-80's they were pretty much all made using calendered cotton. Neither is really more 'authentic'.

 

[lovelux2010]

Originally Posted by ManofKent

The difference isn't in the wax it's in the cotton - the wax is the same.

Sylkoil cotton is uncalendered and hence slightly fluffy, Thornproof (I think that is what you mean by original) uses calendered cotton. Because the Sylkoil cotton hasn't been calendered through rollers, as the wax wears the finish looks 'soft/worn' more quickly, whereas the smoother Thornproof takes longer to show wear. As to which looks better that depends what you want.

The Thornproof is marginally more snag resistant than the Sylkoil, but it's pretty marginal at the same cloth weight, the bigger difference is the thornproof is often available in a heavier cloth weight.

Barbours of the 30's -40's used uncalendered cotton so sylkoil is technically the 'original' finish, in the 70's-80's they were pretty much all made using calendered cotton. Neither is really more 'authentic'.

wow..thank you. sf never fails to amaze with the knowledge of some of its users.
basically - i prefer the colour on the Sylkoil version when new (currently marketed as Classic)as it seems a deeper olive to my eye while the Thornproof version (currently marketed as Original) seems to be a ligh ter green..

but i was curious how each would look after wear. as far as what i want - i would like a jacket that shows wear/character and looks "vintage"/"shabby" if that makes sense, and i do prefer that olive tone rather then the greener tone of Thornpoof...so ..i'm guessing Sykoil the way to go? or will Thornproof go towards that Olive tone with long term wear?

 

[RSS]

Beaufort.

 

[lovelux2010]

Originally Posted by RSS

Beaufort.

thanks RSS goin that way but Sykoil or Thornproof? i just bought my brother the Sykoil version but this ones for me!

 

[ManofKent]

Originally Posted by lovelux2010

wow..thank you. sf never fails to amaze with the knowledge of some of its users.
basically - i prefer the colour on the Sylkoil version when new (currently marketed as Classic)as it seems a deeper olive to my eye while the Thornproof version (currently marketed as Original) seems to be a ligh ter green..

but i was curious how each would look after wear. as far as what i want - i would like a jacket that shows wear/character and looks "vintage"/"shabby" if that makes sense, and i do prefer that olive tone rather then the greener tone of Thornpoof...so ..i'm guessing Sykoil the way to go? or will Thornproof go towards that Olive tone with long term wear?

Base colour won't change that much with wear so I'd go for the classic if you prefer that colour. Both are 6oz if I recall correctly.

 

[RSS]

Originally Posted by lovelux2010

thanks RSS goin that way but Sykoil or Thornproof? i just bought my brother the Sykoil version but this ones for me!
I have the Sykoil ... but it's just a personal preference.

 

[lovelux2010]

Originally Posted by RSS

I have the Sykoil ... but it's just a personal preference.

i realize its a personal preference, but trying to find out details or insight into how Sykoil and THornproof differ in the long term. may i ask - how has yours aged? has the colour changed dramatically over its life?..
sorry..i've just found it hard to find this out!

 

[RSS]

Originally Posted by lovelux2010

how has yours aged? has the colour changed dramatically over its life?
The color has not changed. Mine is about seven years old. That said I do have it rewaxed every few years. I see that the Barbour website suggests that a coat be reproofed yearly, but I've not found mine to need it. Then again, I don't wear it daily ... perhaps once a week.

 

[ManofKent]

Base colour won't change dramatically, both will lighten in tone slightly with wear, the sylkoil more quickly. If you want a real instant 'vintage' look you could always go for one of the vintage specials: http://www.my-wardrobe.com/barbour/o...-jacket-744337