thanks LA Guy, i'm in the process of selecting a belt - EG, redmoon, one of these, maybe a visvim but i can't really judge the actual quality of the belt. of the baltazar's I only really like the black silver studs belt- but that width looks huge- does it really fit into most jeans? there's not that much extra room when i wear my cheap three row pyramid belt. i guess i should measure. i never did understand why HTC belts were so expensive.