Baldness

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by PCabrelli, Apr 13, 2008.

  1. West24

    West24 Senior member

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    that seemed to be the case with the old ones, but with the technology now, they can almost do anyone. ofcourse its expensive, but in the end you only live once so why not!
     


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    Plugs went out with 80s. They use grafts now and the latest technology is called FUE (follicular unit extraction). The consistency of results of this leave much to be desired though as the extractions are difficult to get right. You don't have any noticeable scar in the back of your head though. The downtime is significant, what other procedure does it take over a year to see the final results?

    Personally, I think that as long as you have your hairline, it isn't so bad if you are bald behind it because at least it frames your face.

    I'm convinced that right around (1 to 2 years) the corner we will have some simple regenerative treatments that don't involve stem cells or cancer risks.
     


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    yea i shouldnt have used the term plugs, just meant the whole grafts type procedure etc as opposed to just going bald. and what makes you think they will find something in the next year or two? im hoping by the time i go bald there will be an easy solution.[​IMG]
    my dad reads the israeli news all the time, and told me he read that they were inventing a pill or something of the sort that could be avalaible in 10 years or so that would regrow all your hair that was lost. i dont know if thats true or not but who knows.
     


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    yea i shouldnt have used the term plugs, just meant the whole grafts type procedure etc as opposed to just going bald. and what makes you think they will find something in the next year or two? im hoping by the time i go bald there will be an easy solution.[​IMG] my dad reads the israeli news all the time, and told me he read that they were inventing a pill or something of the sort that could be avalaible in 10 years or so that would regrow all your hair that was lost. i dont know if thats true or not but who knows.
    Check out the video on www.acell.com where they regrew someone's fingertip with fingerprints and all. This has been available for 5 years actually!! but Purdue University got greedy and tried to sue for the technology since one of the original researches somehow was affiliated with them. A half decade later they lost and acell is finally scheduled to get a new batch of this stuff in later this year. It is quite simple, it just relies on a scaffold derived from pig bladder mucous. The company reps have said they anticipate it should have no problem regrowing hair. Other than that, there are all these other sci-fi methods people are trying to come up with, along with new complicated chemicals. Hair multiplication sounds very dangerous due to the unforeseen risk of cancer as a side-effect. They have been saying 3-5 years on this for the past 15 years. I think the official word on it is 3-5 years still. Actually, looks like they took the video down, hopefully they didn't get bought out by Rx. Here is an article I found, can't find the video: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252704,00.html
     


  5. JoeWoah

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    Check out baldingblog.com for info on all the info you need about balding from actual doctors. The doctors are also the foremost specialists in hair restoration too, not like the quack salesmen at Bosley or other places.

    Speaking of technology, toupee technology has come a long way too. You'd be surprised how good they look. Some are super covert and can stay on for up to two weeks straight.
     


  6. West24

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    yea but in the end all the money spent cleaning etc adds up. might as well just get hair restoration in my opinion. ill just save up and get it when ever i go bald!
     


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    When you start balding, the first step is to stop your current loss, then get a transplant if you want. I think finasteride is a bad idea, I got sides from it too. There are much better ways to skin a cat, finding the cause of your hairloss is key. It involves a lot of trial and error and commitment though.
     


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    yea but why waste your money pro longing it, when its going to happen. why not just let it happen, and then get the permanent fix?
     


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    yea but why waste your money pro longing it, when its going to happen. why not just let it happen, and then get the permanent fix?

    If you stop your hairloss you are not prolonging anything, you have stopped it. A transplant is not a perfect fix either, you can still recede behind the grafts or inbetween the grafts. Also, some of the grafts themselves are not immune. Also, it is currently only possible to get a max yield of 10,000 - 15,000 grafts, which will not cover someone who has a high degree of hairloss.

    Despite cosmetic reasons, I'm convinced hairloss is a litmus test for something out of whack internally.
     


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    but do any of them actualy stop the hairloss, or just slow it down?
     


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    but do any of them actualy stop the hairloss, or just slow it down?

    I'm convinced I stopped mine with fish oil and various other things. I just wish I had discovered it about 4 years earlier, but I should be lucky how much hair I have considering I started losing at 15. Even if it slows it down significantly, the longer you keep your actual hair, the better.
     


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    It all depends on you and your body chemistry if any of the current treatments will work, including grafts. Could the meds regrow hair, stop loss, slow loss or just not work at all? Don't know until you try it.

    Propecia (finasteride) works for me, I had minor sides in the first two weeks of use, but my body adjusted. Some people have side effect that they can live with, other have none, and some can't stand the stuff. As for effectiveness, I haven't had any loss since using it.

    Rogaine also works for me, despite the fact that it says it shouldn't (not for MPB anyway). I could see peach fuzz on my forehead from using it within 3 months. For some it doesn't work at all, for some there are side effects (heart palpitations)... I didn't have side effects other than minor skin irritation, but that went away when I bought the foam.

    I also eat better, get more veggies, eat lots of good fats and take supplements like Multivitamins, Zinc, Selenium, Biotin and Fish Oil.

    If you buy the generic Propecia (finasteride) and cut it up, you'll get like 150 doses or more out of a bottle (Propecia is 1mg, the generic form is 5mg, do the math if you get 30 pills). If you manage 60, sweet. If you have insurance, Finasteride is covered, but Propecia may not be.

    For now, you need to at least try to maintain what you have, any restoration doctor worth anything will tell you that. Again, I refer you to baldingblog.com... ask the doctors there yourself. If you don't, than you will require far more grafts than what you would need otherwise. That could take multiple surgeries and tens of thousands of dollars more, if it would be even possible.

    Worse yet, the very condition that made you lose that hair in the first place will still persist, so in order for you not to lose your investment you will have to take finasteride and/or Rogaine after anyway.

    So, bite the bullet and at least try it for a month or 3 months. All effects will go away, good or bad, within a few days of stopping if you do.

    PS: Durestride is the newest DHT blocker around, it works better than Finasteride, but right now is only for Prostate issues/cancer and NOT FDA approved for hair loss, though I hear that will change in about a year or so. All evidence points to it working better than anything else out there right now, but there could be more side effects because a dose for hair loss hasn't been set... it's all trial and error right now.
     


  13. tiecollector

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    I was on finasteride (0.33mg) every other day and still got side effects. After 11 months they finally snuck up on me and my body fat content went way up and I got some serious brain fog. All of this went away completely within 3-6 months of stopping treatment.

    I'm going to start running some experiments of my own once I figure out the basics of the regimen, which will be a topical.

    A topical that has worked great for me involves mixing DMSO/Lithium Orotate/Caffeine Anhydrous with my shampoo.
     


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    There is a German shampoo/conditioner line that has a mixture close to what you might be looking for...

    http://www.lookfantastic.com/cgi-bin/lf.storefront/4630425504681256273fc0a8d00c0659/Product/View/5345


    I haven't tried it, but I hear good things. Someone want to work out a discount for the SF membership? [​IMG]

    Sucks about the side effects, but have you considered Durestride for an alternative? The mechanism is different, so some of those who have had side effects on Finasteride didn't on Durestride... once they figured out the dosage.

    I noticed that my body fat went up since using Finasteride, from an avg. 4-5% to 6-7% right now, but then again I didn't work back then and I was hitting the gym everyday and rowed Crew every morning... I'm lucky to get an hour 2-3 times a week now. Eh.
     


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    I used to use Alpecin back when it first came out along with finasteride. It smells good but didn't do anything. It is very popular in Europe. The caffeine flushes the DHT from the scalp but the Lithium in my compound is crucial.

    I would never touch dutasteride (avodart), type I 5-alpha reductase is documented as being linked to brain function. It is much stronger and the side effects much worse. I'm convinced, and have seen myself, that type II 5-alpha reductase, which finasteride blocks, also plays a role in brain function, but Merck won't tell you that.

    All in all, messing with your hormones is no good. If testosterone were the real culprit, then castration would be the answer, but it isn't.
     


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