...ok, fine, Apple would honor it. Apple is not the standard of course, and there plenty of manufacturers which would not. For example, Sony gives you a 60 day warranty on refurbs. There, my position is now equally as strong as yours. The point is that AE does *not*. Who cares what Apple does? As for outlets which do not take returns, ferragamo, off the top of my head. I know there are more, as well as places that will only give store credit, but I can't remember specifics at the moment.