As an aside, since there's been a few queries on sourcing lately - has anyone seen somewhere Dockers can be had and delivered to Australia? I've looking into quite a few places in the US, but none ship here... I only ask for them as I bought a few pairs on a recent trip state-side and know my size (less risk than trying something unworn so to speak. On the shoe front, I really like to look of some of the Carminas recommended by Charlie's Wardrobe. I've just taken delivery of some C&J Westbourne's in chestnut and think they're the ducks nuts (I'm only starting to appreciate the finer details of great shoes with Loake Pimlico's being my only other aquisition in the sartorial shoe department). But, damn those Carmina's are sexy!