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  1. magic94015

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    ı write the myer history..
    The Myer retail group was started by
    Sidney Myer, who migrated from Russia to Melbourne in 1899 with very little money and little knowledge of English to join his elder brother, Elcon Myer (1875-1938), who had left Russia two years earlier. They opened the first Myer store in Bendigo, Victoria in 1900. After prospering, the second store opened in 1908.
    In 1911 Myer purchased the business of Wright and Neil,
    Drapers, in Bourke Street, Melbourne, near the General Post Office, and a new building was completed and opened in 1914. From this base in Melbourne, Myer built Australia's largest chain of department stores, and the only chain with stores in all Australian states.
    In 1918, the Doveton woollen mills at
    Ballarat were purchased, and in 1921 a new building fronting Post Office Place was added at Melbourne and in the following years Myer purchased adjoining properties, eventually building a store known as the Myer Emporium.Myer expanded toLondsdale street in the 1920s.
    The Myer Emporium grew with the purchase of the old established businesses of Robertson & Moffat and Stephens & Sons. In 1925, Myer Emporium Ltd was listed on the Melbourne Stock Exchange and the new building on the
    Lonsdale Street frontage was begun. In Adelaide, in 1925, the company Myer SA Stores Ltd acquired a controlling interest in Marshall's department store and its shares continued to be listed on the Adelaide Stock Exchange until Myer Emporium Ltd made a successful takeover bid in 1966. A separate building in Queensberry Street, Melbourne, was put up in 1928, and the street collinsbusinesses of T. Webb and Sons, china importers, and W. H. Rocke and Company, house furnishers, were bought and transferred to the Bourke-street building. By 1934, the public company had a paid-up capital of nearly £2,500,000. The company was then employing 5300 people with medical and nursing aid for the staff, and rest homes for them at the seaside and in the Dandenong Ranges.
    On the death of Sidney Myer in 1934, leadership of the company fell to Elcon Myer, and on the death of Elcon in 1938, leadership went to their nephew Norman Myer. Norman Myer led the company until his death in 1956.
    Myer grew by developing its own stores (becoming one of Australia's major property owners and developers in the process) and acquiring other department stores, including Adelaide's Marshall's, Western Australia'sboans in 1984, Queensland's Barry and Roberts and in New South Wales they acquired Western Stores, Farmers & Co in 1961 and
    gracebrothersin 1983.

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  2. "6"

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    Yes it was a lovely night. Thank you Journeyman for organising it. Felt really welcome amongst the Brissy crew, despite being the seedy Victorian that I am.
     


  3. Mirador

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    Read the excellent Coherent Combinations thread this week and have been thinking about its application to the Australian context. City / Country, our working-class roots, the landed gentry, convicts etc etc. It interested me to read the AFR this morning to see the following two photos . . . .what are you thoughts ?

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  4. Henry Carter

    Henry Carter Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Take away Bob Katters hats and you have 2 of the better dressed politicians (or ex) going round. Katter always rocks a good 3 piece, which I imagine would be pretty hot up in QLD. Anyway I'm a bit over politics at the moment with all this crap going on in the last few days.
     


  5. Henry Carter

    Henry Carter Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Heres some new shoes to change the subject.... Carmina on the Robert last, a great last IMO.

    Don't get too excited but I am talking with Betty @ Carmina and if all goes well I will be adding them to the lineup around this time next year. Still very early days yet though, but I promise my service will be better than American Tailors :)

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  6. ColdEyedPugilist

    ColdEyedPugilist Senior member

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    They look great, Jase. :slayer:

    Been thinking of getting a pair for a while; might pull the trigger when the cash comes in again.

    If you can get Carminas in, that would be awesome!!
     


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    Yep, they're lovely. I like the last too. Enjoy.
     


  8. wishiwasricher

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    That would be awesome if you get the Carmina's in. I just purchased a Herringbone suit yesterday so i am moving on to shoes and your pics yesterday of the Carmina Simpson last inspired me to look more into them.

    Good luck with it and let us know! Im sure lots of people on SF will be happy!
     


  9. Selvaggio

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    I thought that coherent combinations thread was an intersting read. FC makes mention that there are all sorts of culturally specific considerations which come into play and I think that is very true when you try to apply his ideas to Australia.

    So much so that I don't know if the idea that an outfit resides somehwere on a spectrum between country and city is actually that useful for Australia now (though it may have been once).

    I look around me and see a great many badly dressed people. Not that I am that bothered by it. This is Australia and I think most people (gross generalisation alert) just don't think that much about how they are going to dress.

    Obviously, the readership here is different. If I could affect some change if dress standards in our part of the world (and I apply this to myself as well) it would be to strive for better understanding of fit and proportion firstly and quality secondly. City/country coherence "coherence" would rank some considerable way back.

    Why? A great many of us live in cities and work in white collar jobsso there is a strong bias towards "city". I don't look around and see many patch pockets, knit ties, brown shoes, flannel, lighter coloured suits or other expirmentation with country elements. I do see a lot of 'bad' city dressing because shirts are too big, ties are horrible and/or out of proportion, trousers and sleeves way too long etc. Even when guys get it right, they are often let down by bad/scuffed shoes.

    The only coherence issue which pops up a bit, is men wearing casualish shoes with business suits (eg square toes or aladdin shapes) - but they are normally black.

    The other reason is that this coherence idea is less relvant to us is that I don't think the country/casual end of the spectrum actually exists for us in the way it might in the UK or the North East of the USA. The concept of a casual/week end suit, well I won't say it doesn't exist here, but it would be considered pretty exotic. I have one light khaki heavy cotton suit which is great for laid back weddings, but doesn't get much wear otherwise. I tried wearing it to work on Fridays, but got the overwhelming sense that people thought I was overdressed or had some kind of Brideshead Revisited thing going on. OK, 90% of this might have been been in my imagination, but the guy who works at the laundry said "you're looking very Sommerset Maugham today" when I went in to pick up my shirts.

    Do we ever see anyone in top to toe tweed? And if you spend sometime in the country, our country, you find a differnt tradition of country dress. Actually, the wearing of black RMs with a suit is about as close to a 'spectrum' as we get.

    Having said all of that, and turning to the photos, Katter is a good example of what FC labels deliberate discordance. He wears a city outfit which says to his audience, I am professional, I mean business and I know how to play the game. The hat says, despite this, I am 100% for FNQ. The waistcoat says, I have old fashioned values and am a true social conservative.

    PK is all business.
     
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    Yes - Katter and his suits are noticeably a notch or two up from other pollies. His stuff usually fits him well too. The white hat is just his branding and classic iconography - the good cowboy in white hat riding in to save the town.
     
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  11. Prince of Paisley

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    I'm a black hat kinda guy.

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    Nice Jason. I'll be in Mallorca in July in case you need a personal emissary to talk with them further :)
     


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    Im on my way down to the big smoke (Sydney). Picking up my charles nahkle shirt, i was then going to have a chat with the boys at Pjohnson. While i am down there i was going to have a look at some of these allen edmonds shoes that are pretty popular and look a lot better then what i can find in the hunter valley. So where is my besr bet to find a retailer who stocks some allen edmonds?
     


  14. Mirador

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    I'm not sure I agree, I look around and see very few examples of Coherent City Combinations, as defined by the thread. If you take the average Collins Street finance/services type worker, they prefer TM Lewin type shirts matched with varying styles of ties (refer below), anything but a suit in solid dark blue or gray with black shoes. Hence, suits with check-patterns seem more prevalent, I tend to think Australians fit squarely in the Coherent Country Combinations category, even if this is by default, an inability to master/understand a Coherent City Combination.

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    I do accept that the lounge suit, or sports-coat is something likely to draw attention, perhaps even suspicion, as follows
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    One thing seems certain to me though, Australia does not have the same cultural reference points to dressing as England. Many of us come from a working-class heritage that have moved up in life as the general prosperity of Australia has improved - there is no legacy for us to learn from, and no obvious class distinctions that we can mirror, possibly a good thing.
     


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    This is an interesting topic. In the good old days F Vox Corbera used to grace this forum occasionally with his attempts at wit - we tolerated and indulged him the way one does with american tourists. Lately however he seems to have put his mind to some of the issues for newbies trying to dress like grown ups. A difficult task and one in which he has acquitted himself well. Whilst I think he doesn’t go far enough in some of his analysis I have to say it is a useful contribution.

    There was some discussion a while back of a bloke, not from Oz, and his outfit - there were lots of comments on fit and other details etc but to my mind the main issue was not small details - the trees if you like – no amount of collar fit, lengthening jacket trouser etc was going to make any difference - but the forest - the coherence and overall message and audience.
    I simply could not tell what the bloke was dressing for, a date, dinner, business, street wear, wedding, funeral, casual friday - in the end I think a big part of the problem was he was in fact dressing to take a photo for a forum. Nothing wrong with that - many do. But given the wealth of information, both pictorial and textual, available here to ascertain the hivemind/groupthink - that he should get it so tragically wrong says a lot about many peoples (ok only his) ability to see what is in front of them and to read and audience.(on the other hand to a large extent he got it right – just missed the =nuance – the rules he got right you ask? – jacket shorter than usual, trousers tighter and shorter, ignore context and audience, flash the double monks, etc)

    Enough - maybe we can revisit this later.

    Our mate Voxy makes the point of a continuum, or perhaps more accurately a divide, between country and city. This is largely a UK distinction and largely from another time. The city /country divide in UK was also about work vs sport, the week – Tuesday to Thursday as oppsed to the weekend – Friday to Monday .

    The country weekend was about sport to a large extent. However it was a different kind of sport than we know now in this time. Sport was riding horses, strolling across countryside, shooting/hunting, walking with dogs, picnics in the country and perhaps some tennis. Country clothes were sports clothes or entertaining and relaxing clothes. Elements of sporting clothes, often relating to comfort, crept into formal clothes and business ( city) clothes. In the old days in UK there was also a distinction between what a gentleman did for money, mainly live off family assets, or rental income etc or perhaps a profession as opposed to the more vulgar ways of earning such as middle class trade and commerce. There was / is obviously a myriad of sharp dividing lines of class in UK.

    In Australia all these "traditions" were only partially transplanted to the new land. Climate and the mix of people (prisoners, working class, Irish, Tolpuddle Martyrs etc) to some extent have always mitigated against a direct import of UK elite classes clothing and habits.

    Here the divide is often between the suburbs and the beach not the city (CBD) and country(sport). Not to mention an entirely different concept of class and how those class divisions can be breached and observed.

    Walk down a suburban shopping strip or shopping mall - where most people live and work - and you will rarely see a suit and tie - let alone one being worn well. In Australia, and I suspect USA, there is a city /suburbs divide. On the train into the city you will see a lot of suits and ties and many worn well , if not to my taste.

    Last year in Adelaide I went to the Adelaide Agricultural Show, as Is my habit wherever I am. There was something striking there. Perhaps not altogether surprising in the home of RM Williams. Men, youths and even young boys - dressed in a distinctively Australian style. Sure it borrowed from American Cowboy gear and to some extent English country / equestrian wear but it was distinctly modern Australian.

    Narrow legged, uncuffed white or off white moleskins (moleskins as RM and other Australians call them are different from what the english say as moleskins - here the moleskin is more like a heavy cotton pant) or well cut and fitting jeans, with brown elastic sided RMs, or Baxter’s or other boots, bright blue or striped slim-ish fitting "western" shirts, often with a wool or knit narrow tie, tweedy or blue sports coats, often with a hat - usually Akubra.

    When you see the look you immediately recognise it as Australian country. But what struck me was how neat it looked and how well it translated to dressed up urban casual or even semi casual and elements of it even work ok in the city. Clearly elements, the black craftsmen RMs with a suit have migrated, relatively successfully, to city. Other bits are often seen as the politician in “casual” gear with brown RMs and jeans.

    Its a good look. The thing that holds me back is that I associate it with squatters in town and hooray henry private school boys back in town for holidays. . Its the same reason many UK people don’t like tweed jackets, a pinstripe suits and such. But I think I need to soften up or harden up

    The above is a bit of a ramble dashed off but we might have a useful conversation around some or these themes.

    edit:: There a lot can be said about the colour palettes of city vs country. UK color palette from country is around their country colours of trees, grass, bushes etc , like tans, browns, and greens - all a bit dulled and rendered different by their light and constant moisture in the air. The city is grey and dark blue - due to climate an building materials. The colours of our country, even in the UK like Tasmanian countryside, are often more vivid or sometimes washed out due to the sunlight and relatively dry climate. Our cities are not grey or bluestone stonework in neat rows.
     
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