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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. MickyD

    MickyD Senior member

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    tossing up whether to buy a dinner suit from the R&B clearance. I'd be lucky to wear one once a year, but for $250 (down from $1100+) it could be a handy thing to have in the wardrobe.
     


  2. budgiesmuggler

    budgiesmuggler Well-Known Member

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    Where is the R&B Clearance?
     


  3. blahman

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    Gents. I will now declare that I will impose on myself a 6 month ban on Sartorially related purchases with only option to purchase 1 pair of socks and 1 single accessory and,where only in a emergency, a pair of trousers for work use only.
    Products for and maintenance of existing items is exempt.
    Effective immediately. Quote me on that and give me absolute hell if I break this ban.
     


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    One of you most incisive posts. I\ll tell you how dumb Harvey is. He bought into the Steyne Hotel at Manly Beach with Singo and backed out.

    I am reliably informed by number 2 son that you can't move in there on a weekend night and it has just started its move to being the number one venue for Gen Ys etc.
     


  5. "6"

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    Highly doubt this (fully canvassed) at that price point. Happy to be wrong about it though.
     
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  6. blahman

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    If the price is the same as the online store which also has 30% off, $250 would be for single jacket only. Price-wise, it seems Australia sells TM Lewins at also about 30% dearer than the Merkins.

    And 4 shirts for AU$200?
    The Yanks get 5 for US$160.
     
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  7. Inc Interest

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    Is there any big difference between Herringbone and Rhodes and Beckett? The reason I ask is that there are no Herringbone stores in Adelaide and I am of the type who prefer to try on clothes before I buy them.

    Furthermore, in relation to markups, I am not sure how true this is, but a friend who used to work at R&B in Sydney told me that the price they import a shirt for is $18 AUD to be sold at around the $160 mark.
     


  8. I am DIL

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    Welcome to SF.

    Firstly, IMO, there is an enormous difference between R&B and Herringbone.

    In terms of stylistic differences, Rhodes & Beckett is geared towards a slightly younger, less experienced market -- slimmer ties, lapels and cuts. You can see it in the majority of their visual merchandising and marketing, that their target demographic tends to be younger professionals who are a little more trend-conscious than anything.

    You'll see that R&B is very similar to Herringbone in their apparent commitment to 'classic' men's apparel, but they're a lot more 'fashion forward' than Herringbone, usually. They're essentially an 'up-market' brand for individuals who aren't concerned with details or meticulous craftsmanship.

    Although I'm not sure where R&B have their stuff made (some of it Italy, some of it China, some of it somewhere else), I believe it isn't anywhere near the quality of Herringbone -- which produces a lot, if not all of their wares in Germany and Italy.

    That's not to say that R&B sucks -- but I prefer Herringbone.

    Herringbone, in terms of 'house style' are a little more rooted in classic menswear/ tailoring. They're not as 'fashion forward', nor are they as extensively marketed -- and to some degree, they aren't as 'trendy' (although they do latch onto the kind of stuff you see on #menswear blogs etc. from season to season).

    However, since the German take-over, Herringbone has wavered a little bit -- which is sad, but expected. But even so, despite the comparatively wallet-friendly prices of R&B stuff (don't get me wrong; R&B isn't that bad), I'd go with Herringbone, purely because my experience with stuff from there has been ideal, thus far.
     
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  9. ginlimetonic

    ginlimetonic Senior member

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    with aussie nudging 1.08 after the rate hold (target cash rate 4.25%), why wouldn't you buy overseas and exercise your stronger purchasing power
     


  10. "6"

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    Just looked at the site. 100% worsted wool charcoal suit for 175 quid. So yes, it's really (like REALLY) good value for a suit, if it fits you. Wish I had this option when I first started work.

    I'm 100% sure its half-canvassed, but I'm saying that as a good thing! TM Lewin is doing budget clothing spot on.

    http://www.tmlewin.co.uk/Hoxton-Cha...,en_GB,pd.html?start=2&cgid=Mens-Suit-Bundles

    This version even has padded lapels - 220 pounds:

    http://www.tmlewin.co.uk/Chepstow-D...,en_GB,pd.html?start=9&cgid=Mens-Suit-Bundles
     


  11. "6"

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    Put on a Herringbone jacket, then go and put on a R&B jacket. The step up in quality you get from HBone is apparent (even though their business suits are mostly made in China). The R&B feels flimsy (due to fully fused construction) and the fabric won't excite you much, however much they want to preach their "Italian" fabric of unknown origin.

    Herringbone suits have padded lapels, half canvassed construction, and uses worsted wools from reputable Italian mills (Loro Piana/VBC). The soft shoulder construction on their Osaka cut suits are also a plus because they make the jacket feel lighter and I think looks infinitely better on broad shouldered men.

    In terms of construction, it appeals to sartorial nerds like myself because they include nice little touches like a barchetta breast pocket (on some models) on the jackets, their trousers are fully curtained and come with quality cotton pockets and a dinner split. Plus the right pocket has a coin sack which fits an iphone perfectly.

    Now I'm not saying Herringbone will be the right choice for you and your preferences/needs, but I just want to note that, you're getting much more bang for your buck with Herringbone in terms of construction.

    On a side note: I know PJohnson makes regular fitting trips to Adelaide so if its in your price range - its another option to consider.
     
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  12. budgiesmuggler

    budgiesmuggler Well-Known Member

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    I like R&B because they fit me really well. I always had to have my shirts darted, or the sleeves taken up, but no alterations on R&B. As others said construction probably not has good as herringbone.

    Their prices are crazy though so wait for a sale.

    I think some of the best constructed are TM Lewin, esp with floating collar and cuff. But their fit on me is not great.
     


  13. Naka

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    I work for R&B, so feel free to take anything I say with a grain of salt, but there is a lot wrong with this post.

    R&B suits are half-canvassed, made in Turkey. They are supposedly made in the same factory as Z Zegna and other brands, but that doesn't mean the quality is on par with Z Zegna.

    Fabric is often Loro Piana, and sometimes other mills but always clearly marked on the inside of the jacket. There are two cuts at R&B, a slim, and regular.

    I'm not a fan of the suits personally, as they don't fit me all that well, and I believe at full price they are overpriced. The finishing is disappointing for the price point.

    Just wanted to clear that up.
     


  14. Pink Socks

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    By the way, with all this talk of TM Lewin, I have a Navy Pinstripe SB suit in 44R which I am happy to sell for a song (<$100) if anyone is interested. Should ebay or put on B&S - but just in case there is any interest here. Still in great condition.
     
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  15. tobiasj

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    I want to give a shout out to Hwa Seng Textiles (www.hst.com.sg). Just got some smoked MOP buttons (*) in the mail from them and they are awesome. Took about 10 days to arrive and customer service was excellent.

    (* To replace the crappy plastic ones on my RL blazer, kind of disappointing lack of attention to detail there RALPH)
     
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