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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. herringbonePete

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    If like you, a man is well dressed and timeless he is not a dandy - but in some circles he will be gazed on perhaps with interest, positive or negative.

    Now we are back probably on a timeless classic of this forum - why we dress like we do - and whether there are indeed norms or even rules..

    In some circles, anyone well dressed might be considered narcissistic if noone else is. I get out to blue-collar sites and do you know what, I am considered a metrosexual - which is laughable - as I stay clear of any metrosexual look - most certainly - and err on the side of classic, and timeless. But to a blue collar worker, they can equate timeless and classic with fashion even if they might concede eventually that I am not actually fashion-forward. Infact wearing RMs on minesites like I do is very Australian so I should get away with it - really I am a corporate 'suit'.

    I like tweed - colourful tweed too - it most certainly is a look I cultivate as one which reflects me and my upbringing - it is me. Some of the colours I favour are slightly dandyish but in the context of where the jacket was made, where it was first worn, why, where, historical nuance, it is not.

    To be a true Dandy now, I reckon there would simply have to be an element of costume, even flamboyant in a look. Coxy - I see you as timeless not a Dandy. In some ways hipsters are Dandies....no socks, showing calves etc is frankly, in my opinion flamboyant (and silly too).

    Dandy has probably left the vernacular - Oscar Wilde was the first dandy perhaps? The whole tradition of the Asthete?
    It is context - if you are a doctor, lawyer or higher professional then as a matter of fact you probably can get away with dressing rather nicely. If you work in IT support then a suit will be off to many people.
     
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  2. Dandy Wonka

    Dandy Wonka Senior member

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    Dandy is most un-Australian.

    With just a bit of style you risk being lynched.
     
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  3. Geoffrey Firmin

    Geoffrey Firmin Senior member

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    Everything is a sign. Signs signify particular social codes and within those codes there are particular cultural mores. While a pocket square may signify a sartorially aware individual, a Dandy, a peacock or a spiv its interpretation is always in through the eyes of the beholder. The reader of signs carries their own socially constructed baggage and this in turn fashions their interpretation of the sign. So even such a small item such as 'the pocket square' is in actual fact a socially loaded signifier with a sartorial history. However the sign does have the potential to become an Icon which then assumes an entirely different role in human life. This essentially is what has happened to the (humble?) pocket square and why accordingly it provokes such moments of bliss and consternation as it circulates through the sartorial constellations of our lives like so much sand through an hourglass.

    "Jeeves bring me a large Hendricks and tonic my good man"
     
  4. Osiris2012

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    Are we just having a pissing contest now to see who can write the most in-depth analysis or poetic reply to conclude that there are no universal answers and that trying to ascribe an absolute value of perception to our symbolic pocket square is as multi-facated and varied as each persons individual truths?
     
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  5. Oli2012

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    Yeah whatever happened to shoe last comparison?
     
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  6. Geoffrey Firmin

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    The pocket square is not a singularity but a multiplicity of Iconography whose truth is as varied as the socially constructed eye of the reader.
     
  7. Gerry Nelson

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    Can you not see it's a puzzle within a riddle hidden in an enigma engulfed by a conundrum?
     
  8. Geoffrey Firmin

    Geoffrey Firmin Senior member

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    Sensei
    The bespoke suit begins with a single fitting.
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  9. ColdEyedPugilist

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    When the master tailor points at the moon, what do you see, young one? His heroically unbuttoned surgeon's cuff... Or the moon?
     
  10. Gerry Nelson

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    Look at his cuff ... and you miss all that heavenly glory ...
     
  11. Petepan

    Petepan Senior member

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    Yes gentlemen, we know the answer is 42.
     
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  12. Geoffrey Firmin

    Geoffrey Firmin Senior member

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    Jacket size?
     
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  13. Pink Socks

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    Yes. Maybe 44 in some of those Italian brands.
     
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    At the risk of sounding boastful, this is where my wife has been working as an interpreter over the past couple of days. Even though she's an experienced conference interpreter, it's still been a heck of an experience for her. Very stressful and exhausting, but also incredibly professionally rewarding.

    Note: She didn't take the photo as she was too busy interpreting and preparing - I just pulled the photo off the Brisbane Times website.
     
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  15. herringbonePete

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    France beat Wallabies 29-26.

    Wallabies weren't flattered during much of the match but were still in it - then scored 7 points in the last 5 mins......

    Good game
     
  16. Geoffrey Firmin

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    Good game? The Wallabies lost FFS! I got up at 7am to watch it and the second half was appalling by the Wallabies that last play they had the French out wide but did they pass it that way. No they rumbled it up with the forwards knock on game lost. Merde!

    The only redeeming factor now about Sunday is that its currently bucketing down.
     
  17. herringbonePete

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    Good game for a rugby fan Geoff. Yesterday, I bought some antiques in a garage sale in my road, the owner turned out to be an ex-Wallaby. (Name withheld on this public forum!)

    Might get the tweed out for my Sunday arvo trip to city.
     
  18. Geoffrey Firmin

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    A good game for a Wallabies fan is when they win. Now excuse me i have to find my sack cloth and ashes.
     
  19. Pink Socks

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    They are prob in your laundry - you seem to don them a lot. Might need another set.
     
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    Thank you to Mr. Nice Guy Nelson for his generous donation. If you would like to support men's health initiatives (mental health, prostate and testicular cancer), please consider making a donation to mobro.co/tarang
     
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