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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. Journeyman

    Journeyman Senior member

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    Yes indeed - the Socceroos are bound for Brazil to compete in their third World Cup in a row!
     


  2. Petepan

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    Wooooooohoooooooo!!

    What a goal from Josh Kennedy.
     


  3. g-banger

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    cant wait to see mate!! my HC gloves are getting a thrashing at the moment


    meanwhile used my slow cooker for the first time last night, what a epic invention :slayer:

    also i have a new pair of lands ends chino's in 32 x 32 (light beige) if anyone wants for $70AUD posted (had to ship to forwarding service) before i put on the bay.
     
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  4. Henry Carter

    Henry Carter Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Something I think about from time to time is that many of the promises of globalisation have never eventuated for the majority of citizens.

    Back when Country Road was all made in Australia it was very expensive and good quality. Now its all made off-shore, the quality isn't as good but the price is still quite high. It's not as cheap as it should be taking into account foreign labour costs and the exchange rate. You can say the same for any Australian clothing label that charges over $100 for a pair of polyester/wool blend trousers for example.

    The corporations and investors make more money but the consumer isn't that better off. And all the people who used to work for Country Road (or Fletchery Jones as another example) and actually designed and manufactured something now have poorly paid insecure retail jobs instead.

    For those with access to capital, globalization has created the opportunity for larger profits. For those without access to capital, I think it's been an overall negative experience.
     


  6. The Ernesto

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    PG I hear what you are saying, but globalisation has increased global trade, which creates greater employment opportunities in developing and other countries. Increased global trade also ties countries together and reduces the likelihood of conflict and dispute. Globalisation also means we can say get f#cked to extortionate local retail prices and take the opportunity to purchase a wider range of good and services of differing quality at differing prices. I wonder what the finance guys on here think?

    Anyway, that's my Pollyanna view this morning. I'm all about the upside today. The Socceroos won.
     


  7. The Ernesto

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    Jas, such a good look you run the risk of getting tumblred.
     


  8. Journeyman

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    I certainly agree about CR, although their prices have come down a bit over the past few years.

    Back when they made things in Oz, I had a really nice, three-piece linen suit from them, as well as several shirts with (admittedly very thin) shell buttons and pattern-matching at the sleeve head.

    When they moved production offshore, their prices stayed the same, but the quality of their garments largely declined precipitately (with the possible exception of knitwear, which was still quite nice for a while). I stopped buying CR clothing in protest, as I objected to them lowering their costs of production!

    With regard to the costs of globalisation, I think that there are both winners and losers. There's no doubt that quite a lot of consumer goods have become significantly cheaper over the past couple of decades. Prices in Australia do tend to be higher but I think that a lot of that can be explained by high rents for commercial premises in city centres and shopping centres, high labour costs (relative to countries like the US and even Japan), and our relatively small consumer base (again, relative to other countries). I'm sure that in some areas there is "profit-taking" behaviour but I also think that's becoming more and more difficult nowadays due to the increasing ease of shopping via the internet - hence the whining from the likes of DJs and Harvey Norman.
     


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    I think that's only true for people that still insist on shopping at retail bricks and mortar. The biggest problem with the Australian market is its size and isolation. I honestly don't think there is a big enough local market for high-quality, high-priced clothing to support even one major retailer and high Australian wages make the cost of local production even higher. To take the Fletcher Jones example, are there really enough men in Australia willing to pay for Brooks Brothers quality clothing and styling to keep a retail operation with a few stores in each major city running?

    Opening up online not only gives businesses access to a larger market, but you can do so without all of the high costs associated with retail. Honestly, I hate shopping retail; I hate going to malls, I hate trying things on in store and I hate salespeople that have no clue about any of the stuff they are selling. The only advantage of retail is being able to see the product and try it on, although that comes with a healthy guilt trip when you decline to purchase. I think the last thing I bought retail in-store was a sweater from Country Road.

    Globalisation may not have yielded as much benefit for Australian customers, but I think the internet has greatly benefited us. Hell, most of my wardrobe would not even exist without online sellers.
     


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    Romp - would you consider selling shoes at the suit shop? If you did with a modest mark up I'd certainly buy from you.
     
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    Great post. I heartily agree--I very rarely shop retail these days if there is an option to buy online instead. Outside of places like Herringbone, MJ Bale etc., the comments you get from salespeople are just forehead-slappingly clueless.

    On another topic, for those who went, how was the meetup last night? Full disclosure: I had a dream where I went to a Suit Shop retail store. Nice Guy GN was the salesperson (lol!). He tried hard, but nothing fit. Or something. In hindsight, maybe it was a nightmare?
     


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    MJ Bale have 20% off til midnight with code GQSN.

    Does not work on sale items, but does work on 'multibuy' deals e.g. 2 suits for 1k, for a nice $200 discount.
     


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    Wasnt valid when I tried the multibuy, will retry, I love their poorly coded website.

    What do people think of this suit, with the GQ code, Osaka cut for $560
    http://shop.herringbone.com/ProductDetail/mens/suiting/h00823__790_bardolino_suit/6282
     
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    I'd be highly surprised if you'll find any of them / us against globalisation. Its pretty clearly economic liberalisation which tends to be popular to say the least.
     
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    Yes, kind of like asking petrol station owners if they like cars.
     


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