Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.
No worries. I've got boots on the Forest and shoes on the Rain though but you should get the general idea. I should have a photo of the two side by side as well so you can see for yourself.
Edit: I see that it's already been done at http://www.styleforum.net/t/241469/carmina-shoe-p0rn/480_30#post_5385447
Nice looking boot but I have heard that speed hooks kill trouser cuffs. While I don't wear my hiking boots (only ones I have with speed hooks) with my good trousers, I can see how this could be a problem if you do a lot of walking. Some of the other guys (Gerry) might be able to confirm if this is a real issue or not. Also, I think Aus member coxaca is running a group buy on cordovan Carmina MTO boots, which could be of interest. Not 100% sure on the price but it's significantly cheaper than if you buy solo, and probably a fair bit cheaper than the C&Js. As an aside, you will all be glad to hear my camel leather MTOs are wearing in nicely and are supremely comfortable. I'll take some more pics once they get a few more miles in them so you can all see how the leather ages, but so far so good.
Not too much trouble for me
Quote:I've not had any problems yet with speed hooks catching on my trousers but I guess time will tell. The cordovan boot MTO will cost US$680 or so (which is a great price for a pair of shell boots). The Coniston from Pediwear costs US$520 or so without shipping. Good to hear about the camel MTOs.
Yeah, I heard someone mention it in one of the other threads but it sounds like an SF non-issue.
That is a good price for a pair of cordovan boots. Are they are a similar make up to the pair you bought recently?
+4. I've never had any problems with speed hooks.
However, the back of my trouser legs do sometimes get caught on the "pull tag" (or whatever it is called) that is at the back of some pairs of boots, but a quick shake of the leg usually sets things right.
That'd be the "RM Williams Shake"
I assume you have seen this - but one thing that I noticed in Japan, on looking closer on the train - hard to avoid - was that lots of men had a crushed heel counter from slipping shoes on and off without undoing laces. Once I noticed it I became obsessed and saw it everywhere.
Yes, PoP, the MTO I'm running is pretty much exactly the same boot as Gerry's. "Light Cognac" shell, Oscar last, Dainite sole, model number is 80184.
Price is 4480 SEK (plus shipping) through Skoaktiebolaget. It's about 30% less than the individual MTO price for the same boot.
Please do put your name down on the list. I'd love to get this damn MTO over the line. I'm losing sleep here.
Especially acute when wearing RMs with a lightweight suit as the fabric isn't heavy enough to fall past the tug.
Not really a problem in winter with heavier trousers. The weight of the cuffs is usually sufficient that gravity allows them to roll over the tag and sit normally when you stand up, or within a couple of steps.
I remember reading somewhere one idiot tried removing the tugs off his boots, only to realise he couldn't get them on!
I would dearly love to, but I've already gone over budget for clothes this month year. I need to demonstrate I have some self control left!
An old trick when using cuffs on trousers is to place a heavy coin in the back of the cuff to make trousers hang better.
As someone who wore RMs every day for years I can say its bloody annoying even with work jeans - the catching on the back is also more a function of the boot having a "lip" at the back rather than a straight finish and no so much the pull tag. Although both combined are a bugger as the pull tag actually serves as a great catcher for trousers and pulls them inwards to catch. We used to just tuck the pull tag in after putting on boots - that works well as it not only stops tag sticking out but makes a smooth curve that tends to let trouser slide off. But it doesn't work for everyone. Oh the intricacies of clothes obsession.
Penny loafers are very popular in Japan, both amongst school students (both male and female) and amongst adult males, too. However, even though they are typically quite easy to take on and off, as you say, most men still end up with crushed heels on their shoes due to frequently taking their shoes off and then stepping on to the heel of their shoes when slipping them on.
A lot of Japanese people lace their shoes quite loosely, as they take their shoes on and off so frequently. This was amusingly demonstrated to me last weekend when one of the members of my son's soccer team (who also happens to be Japanese) had his soccer boot fly off his foot during a match as it was too loosely laced. When I asked him about it after the match, he said that he'd laced the boots up when he got them, before the beginning of the season, but that he hadn't untied them since, as he just slipped them on and off!
Oli - or whoever was asking about boots etc in the rain.
I know its sometimes not easy to afford but the real answer is to get a shoe/boot/clothes designed for each purpose. Slopping around in mud and water - rubber boots calf high, rough work on building site - safety toe work boots, hiking - hiking boots, knocking around on weekends - leather casual boots - not dress boots, etc etc
Its hard to get an true all rounder.
I hate to be the only one - but sometimes for some people here a pair of Blunnies might be useful for mucking around.
As Coxaca has already mentioned, I was part of the original MTO and got the boots in that configuration.
The recent pair of boots is slightly different.
MTO Boot ("Light Cognac" shell, Oscar last, Dainite sole, model number is 80184):
Recent Boot (Burgundy shell, Soller last, Dainite 'Victory' sole, model number is 80179):
Aside from the differences in the material and last, the MTO boot is taller and also has the rear pull tab, and the heel quarter overlay. Both soles are Dainite but the burgundy boot has the Victory sole. The MTO boot also has the laces passing through the tongue.
Hope that answers your question, PoP.
For anyone who's wondering about the Oscar last, I would say it's similar in width to the Forest but grips the heel more. My feet (borderline medium/wide) still feel comfortable in it though and I wear the same size in both.
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